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  • I just had an idea. Actually, I had it while I was asleep. So - scars don't form that easily. they take time to heal over a wound. so - the first part of the fight between weiss and the knight would be her first fight against it. she'd be a learning student, able to use only her physical strength and the one magic-spell she knows - wall.

    after the punch, she realizes she is very weak, and it cuts to her singing again - this, along with the fact that the camera points at the moon ("many moons later"), may show passage of time - possible a very long period. her scar comes from this period of skipped time, where she trains and practices. the fight returns with her being stronger and more knowledgable than before, with her scar.

    the blood may have been from something before her second attempt to 'kill' the knight, perhaps if this was a 'trial' (royal test) she'd have fought many things before reaching the knight. she got her bleeding wound from one of the previous challengers, and the scar is from her training.

    Weiss appears much stronger and determined after the cut-moment, and her movements are much smoother, planned, and controlled. and while she was previously unable to do much damage to the knight and was getting pummeled by it, now she - in just a handful of moves - was able to take it down easily. her final confused/dazed glance may have indicated that she did not how strong she had become or she was waiting for the next challenger, only to find out there were none left (lonely).


    kinda far-fetched, I know, but it does explain everything quite well. any comments?

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    • Then again, healed scars tend to fade to white.

      But does it have to be a scar?  Could it not be a marking of another origin?  Not a tattoo, as that would be permanently visible.  But as the colours on her rapier hilt provide powers to the weapon, could it be a (magical) mark giving power to her?

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    • Or perhaps instead of going for realism, the show is going for more of a "rule of cool"?

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    • Well, it was originally a birthmark (beauty mark, idk.) So maybe it doesn't have a very big backstory :o

      I like your idea, though!

      (actually i'm not sure about the birthmark thing)

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    • RoseLalonde wrote:
      Well, it was originally a birthmark (beauty mark, idk.) So maybe it doesn't have a very big backstory :o

      I like your idea, though!

      (actually i'm not sure about the birthmark thing)

      It can't be a birthmark, seeing as she doesn't have it before she gets hit.

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    • I meant that Monty changed it from a birthmark to a scar instead, sorry.

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    • The implication I got was that for some reasonn she was holding back against the armour in the first half, but the punch got her to take it seriously.

      I would have said it's either because the armour has some significance to her, or because there is some cost or effect or something to using her full power that's she's scared of

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    • Maybe it's part of some sort of form that activates whenever she's injured? And it may give her ultimate powers in times of need. The different colours on the hilt seem like elements that she can summon.

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    • the scar itself persisted outside of the flashback. This would indicate that the "activation" is when it turns red and apparently bleeds, and it is present as a mark always. If anyone has a clear picture of her left eye between the armour appearing and her getting punched in the face, we could say for certain.

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    • 13th madman wrote:
      If anyone has a clear picture of her left eye between the armour appearing and her getting punched in the face, we could say for certain.

      http://roosterteeth.com/archive/?id=6934

      Pause at exactly 01:06
      File:The Scar is There2.png if you need to see yourself...

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    • sorry, not convinced. I don't see it when paused at all. Might just be a mistake on one or two frames, since stopping at that exact moment can have quite different effects each time. Which annoyingly kills my idea about a test, since now we can't know for sure whether the mistake is the presence or absence of the scar.

      however, unless this is also a mistake, it seems to have come from somewhere else. I'd buy that, given that I wouldn't expect that kind of mark from a punch. maybe somebody attacked her with a sword sometime.

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    • Yeah, that's pretty much the circle we get into a lot..

      "Which was the mistake? The scar being there, or the scar not being there?" We can't proove either one, because until Monty says so, it's the same as trying to prove or disprove God...

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    • It could be two scars, the blood covers the upper part perfectly and when she stands up after killing the armour, the lower part of the scar is visible.

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    • How could two scars line up peftectly like that? It's highly unlikely that the source of both parts are different...

      Either the whole scar was caused by the armor, or none of it was...

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    • Actually the scars aren't 100% lined up. one is slightly off in comparison to the other. I honestly think she got the scar form the armor and the scar shown before/during the battle was an animation error. Since the main render for Weiss has the scar, it wouldn't be that bif of a stretch to assume it was an error.

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    • The scars are perfectly parralel though......

      -shrug-

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    • In the very first close up of her face (at 0:16) the scar seems visible already as a faded shade (as is normal for a healed scar). And in the closing close-up it is also visible as such.

      Now whether she got the scar in the battle with the giant armour, or whether it's a trait of her that the scar turns red 'in the heat of the combat' may still be open to debate - as may be the question whether it's a scar at all or some other kind of marking (possibly with magic effect, or the display of magic effect on herself).

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    • Some people argue chicken, others argue egg. We'll never get anywhere like this...

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    • maybe not, but in the end it shouldn't matter where the scar came from. point is she has it in the present plotline. I definately thinkg the redness is bleeding though, because it looks nothing like the glow Adam gave off when he "got serious", and wasn't even glowing. it just seems odd that they'd have a similar colour and yet be so different to me. And besides, she got punched in the face. She's hardly going to take it like it's nothing without a mark.

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    • 13th madman wrote:
      maybe not, but in the end it shouldn't matter where the scar came from. point is she has it in the present plotline. I definately thinkg the redness is bleeding though, because it looks nothing like the glow Adam gave off when he "got serious", and wasn't even glowing. it just seems odd that they'd have a similar colour and yet be so different to me. And besides, she got punched in the face. She's hardly going to take it like it's nothing without a mark.

      The problem with that is that when you get punched, you get bruised. her wound seems more like a minor scrape or cut than a giant-armor-punch wound. I agree that it is blood -  i think we all assumed that - but as to the source of it...

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    • and about the ideas of an animation error - i find that highly unlikely. I can understand animation errors in Ruby's, which they had to get out in a rush (i went back frame by frame and you won't believe how much i found) but weiss's is too well made and they had way too much time to be making such obvious mistakes. If her eye was open and something slashed at it, it is very possible the scar is not perfectly aligned.

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    • Perhaps, seeing as the scar is not perfectly straight, it's actually two scars and she got them both from different times? Unlikely but could explain why we can see the bottom half at times. Could also support that the wound that made the scar was during the fight with the giant armour (the top half of the scar, seeing as that looks like where the blood is coming from) but she had to lower half of the scar beforehand? I don't know that just sort of popped into my head...

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    • i've made a compilation of screenshots at various times throughout the trailer where her scar was visible. The main thing I found is that her scar does appear after she gets hit. however, my reasoning is that getting hit like that and sliding across the floor is not going to give any sort of immediate scarring, nor does it create that sort of wound which appears to be a bleeding cut. as i said in the beginning, because the camera switches back to her singing and pints at the moon for a brief moment, it may indicate that the time is no longer the same and she has returned a second time to fight the armor. this would explain the scar and wound in much simpler terms - she received the scar from previous training, and seeing that she's taking a royal test (from the lyrics of roses) there may have been a series of enemies that weiss had to fight beforehand, giving her the slight cut.

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    • I just thought this as I was reading the article, but perhaps her scar is from her battle with the Giant Armor. Let me explain. It's very possible that since she is well-versed in magic that she is able to cast healing magic, or she may have a passive ward that heals cut wounds quickly to prevent bleeding. Just a thought.

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    • the problem with that is that that pattern of scar is not possible without a direct slash, and as we know Weiss was able to deflect the armor's sword but not his punch. a punch like that is impossible to form such a cut, unless you argue that her skin split - which is highly unlikely.

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    • Geek96boolean10 wrote:
      the problem with that is that that pattern of scar is not possible without a direct slash, and as we know Weiss was able to deflect the armor's sword but not his punch. a punch like that is impossible to form such a cut, unless you argue that her skin split - which is highly unlikely.

      From personal experience, I can confirm that a blunt impact can cause a linear cut.

      My reason for saying that Weiss's scar is unrelated to the fight with the Armour Giant is because we see where that skin split is - horizontal over her left eyebrow.  The scar is vertical across her left eyelids, so she's been in at least one other fight in which she nearly lost an eye.

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    • After seeing the scar in TUSF's screensho and seeing other say they don't I looked into the video again to find a better close up of Weiss' face to see if the scar was present before being hit.

      At 1:38 in the video, seconds before Weiss is hit, there is a split-second close up on Weiss' face as she strikes, clearly showing the right half of Weiss' face, where the scar should be, without any mark. ( http://rwby.wikia.com/wiki/Special:NewFiles?file=No_scar.png ) This confuses me, as now there are moments before she gets hit where the scar seems to be present and also where it is now, which pushes as evidence as the scar being there before the hit as just a mistake, due to inconsistancy.

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    • TempestTurn wrote:
      After seeing the scar in TUSF's screensho and seeing other say they don't I looked into the video again to find a better close up of Weiss' face to see if the scar was present before being hit.

      At 1:38 in the video, seconds before Weiss is hit, there is a split-second close up on Weiss' face as she strikes, clearly showing the right half of Weiss' face, where the scar should be, without any mark. ( http://rwby.wikia.com/wiki/Special:NewFiles?file=No_scar.png ) This confuses me, as now there are moments before she gets hit where the scar seems to be present and also where it is now, which pushes as evidence as the scar being there before the hit as just a mistake, due to inconsistancy.

      Problem is, that's not the only time without a scar. She appears with or without in even enough ballance that we can't tell just by looking which the mistake was.

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    • My guess is that we have not seen the origin of Weiss's scar but that it is a very character-significant moment.  One scenario is that, if Weiss has a Wicked Stepmother, she may have got the scar in the accident that killed her biological mother, her survival being something for which her father has never forgiven her.

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    • Ok here is my theory of Weiss' scar. She has magical powers that posses traits or aspects of the element with that color well one of them is white. White is often paired with the ability to heal so just maybe she can heal herself and possibly others with her WHITE magic and the reason she has a scar and blood in the same place is because she healed the wound from the Knight's sidewinder after swing but it still left a scar and she never wipped the blood off from the initial gash. What do you guys think?

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    • Good idea but most of this argument is about whether it was there before the punch or not.

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    • This is a possible theory as to it not being there before but after. BRTE500

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    • My mistake, but until Monty tells us, we're unlikely to find out.

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    • Couldn't the reason why the scar looks like it came from a slash instead of a punch be because Weiss raised her rapier and partially blocked the punch, but the rapier continued back and she slashed herself across the eye accidentally? It isn't exactly implausible, and would resolve why she has a slash mark from a blunt force weapon.

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    • I rather think that the scar was designed for artistical effect on the character face and not with any thought about realistic depiction of a specific effect.

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    • True, I agree :) But we all enjoy some rampant speculation.

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    • Actualy when you think about it, it is most likely a "gift" from the whitefang. Weiss mentioned in the last episode that she lost many of her friend to them and it looks like a claw mark at times. Just trowing a new idea. It wouldn't be far fetched to think one of them tried to snatch her since she was a heiress to the family that makes the white fang the most pissed off.

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    • Ninjasplaycardgames2

      You guys are overthinking this waaay too much. If you PAY ATTENTION after she defeats the armor, we get a nice close up of her face and a cut to present Wiess. Its a nice tactic to show the viewer how the scar ended up healing. Now the problem everyone has is that the scar is still visible before they cut to present Wiess. But you can clearly see that the only visible part of the scar is the lower half, whereas the trailer wants you to focus on the upper half. So the obvious answer is that Monty accidentally left the bottom half exposed instead of covering it up with blood while animating it. As for it "being a punch" and therefor not being able to leave a scar, have you SEEN the arm on the armor? Besides the fact thats its a GIANT suit of armor, the arm itself has some sharp edges that could easily have caused the scar. 

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    • I would like to add that theres a chance the whole fight is metaphorical for father abuse, which HAS actually been confirmed. 

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    • I'll say it again:

      In the White Trailer, the blood is coming from a horizontal cut above her left eyebrow. The scar is vertical and across her left eyelids. They're two different injuries!

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    • I'm still thinking about whether or not it makes sense that the blood would trickle down in the exact position as her scar. I mean on one hand its arguable that perhaps the scar is a little indented, in which case the blood would understandably (though not likely) trickle down the engraved path. On the other hand my scar, and most scars in general, tend to actually protrude slightly from the rest of the surrounding skin, which whilst still making it possible for the blood to fall down it, doesn't guarantee an exact tracing would be form.

      Though yes, I do find it highly improbable that the punch from the Giant Armour, if the fight happened at all, would actually cause such a wound.

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    • She got the scar fighting the knight, the punch made her bleed, she did not have the scar at all before the punch, and she did not get hit at all after being punched.

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    • I am the same person as above: ^

      Let me get things clear again, her scar shows up in a vertical line in the middle of her eye lids and one vertical line at the corner of her left eye. Which probably are two different scars, and one could be from the punch and the other one could be where she got punched and landed on her face. Anyway if you watch the trailer close you you will notice.

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    • BenRG wrote:
      I'll say it again:

      In the White Trailer, the blood is coming from a horizontal cut above her left eyebrow. The scar is vertical and across her left eyelids. They're two different injuries!

      Re-posted because no-one actually seems to be looking at the White Trailer closely enough to pick this up.

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    • BenRG wrote:

      BenRG wrote:
      I'll say it again:

      In the White Trailer, the blood is coming from a horizontal cut above her left eyebrow. The scar is vertical and across her left eyelids. They're two different injuries!

      Re-posted because no-one actually seems to be looking at the White Trailer closely enough to pick this up.

      WeissReflection

      You can see her reflection in her eye.

      Not to mention that in the trailer, you can briefly see Weiss' reflection in her own eye when she attacks the armor. This could mean the entire trailer is in Weiss' mind and not real, meaning she would have gotten the scar some other way besides fighting the Armor.

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    • I 've always thought the whole thing is metaphorical, with singing in front of a massive crowd representing her life being all a big performance for the world. What the armor represents could be many things, but one interesting theory is that it is her father, and that she got the scar from him. The only issue is I'm not entirely sure child abuse is something we'll see in this series. Not that they're shy about it, but it just would seem out of place somehow.

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    • That would depend on what you define as child abuse.

      Normally we understand by that physical abuse to include or not sexual abuse - but neglecting can also be counted in that, as can overharsh discipline or exagerated expectations.

      To me it seems that Weiss grew up in a secluded world full of expectations and rules, but not with a lot of display of affection and parental love.  That is not to say her parents (though we know nothing of her mother) don't love her, just that they didn't succeed in showing it.

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    • What if we're getting all worked up and then we find out that the scar wasn't supposed to be there; it was just a goof-up from our friendly neighborhood goofs at Roosterteeth?

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    • Talk about commitment to the goof-up, then. Even Weiss' official artwork (barring the first one, where it's a beauty mark instead) has her scar.

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    • No, I meant it wasn't suppossed to be there in the fight against the armored golem, 'cause that's when she got it.

      On another note, it is possible to get a cut from a blunt object, it happened to me.

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    • Gamech4ng3r wrote: No, I meant it wasn't suppossed to be there in the fight against the armored golem, 'cause that's when she got it.

      On another note, it is possible to get a cut from a blunt object, it happened to me.

      The problem is that the scar seems to vanish and reappear at different points in the trailer. Also some people say that because the top and bottom of the scar don't line up, she could have gotten two different scars at two different times. There us also the problem that the horizontal cut she receives from the armor when it punches her doesn't match up with her vertical scar. Me and a few others think that the entire fight is actually a metaphor for the real way she got her scar (parental abuse maybe?), as her own reflection appears in her eye when she is about destroy the armor (in her eye, you see Weiss instead of the armor). Not to mention the scar is clearly visible during the fight. There is just too much contradicting information in the trailer to get a clear answer and we probably won't know for sure until it becomes important to the series.

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    • I'm reminded of the Star Trek nit-picker's rule. Any explanation can only be from the broadcast episode and script. There can be no explanation from edited-out scenes or production errors (which is probably the actual cause in this case).

      If we accept that the proposition that the fight in White Trailer was entirely imaginary, then the scar appearing and disappearing might be a function of Weiss's fluctuating innocence and purity in the face of the young woman that Weiss's father wants her to be.

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    • Star Wars fans also have a rule like that. George Lucas was apparently asked so many questions about canon-contradictions in the Star Wars Universe (mostly, but not limited to the books), that he came up with the rule that any new canon would become the official canon over any past canon. Basically, if the writer messes up something, it doesn't matter because that is the new canon and will remain that way until someone else messes it up in the future.

      Sometimes I fear that this will be the stance Monty will take with the series.

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    • Monty is better than that. He plans ahead more, and thinks things through before he does them. I doubt we will ever get a serious consistency error in RWBY.

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    • I'm not sure where to post this as I am new to this wikia, so I guess this thread (that I've read entirely) will do.

      So, I've watched the White trailer over 50 times, I've read every theories I could about this, looked through every piece of information I could gather and here is my theory: Weiss did this scar to herself, consciously. It might sound crazy, but it doesn't come out of nowhere.

      First of all, I'd like to specify I think the scenes where she fights and the ones where she sings take place at different times (which explains why she has the scar in the beginning and then it disappears when the fight scene starts). Now I'll just cut straight to the thing that made my mind go "tilt!". Take a close look at the moment right after she takes the hit from the armour, at 1:44. She falls on the ground and then sits on her knees. If you look closely at her left eye at 1:50, you can see there is no sign of blood. I first thought it was a matter of angle, but. The video cuts back to the singing scene (the present), then back to the fighting scene, at 2:01. And you can see she is now laying on the floor, rather than sitting, and when you see her face again, she is bleeding. This leads me to think she took a hit which was ellipsed, because of the singing scene.

      As many of you said, a punch would cause a bruise, not a cut, which would be easily made by a rapier. Also, I'd like to point out how many hits the characters have taken during the show, and none of them got an injury; none, except Jaune, who got a cut on his cheek... because his aura wasn't up. But Jaune is an amateur, Weiss isn't. Weiss shouldn't have gotten any injury from the punch (besides, she took two punches during the trailer and the first one didn't do anything). And even though she could have gotten the cut, her aura could have healed it (once again, Jaune's cut disappeared when his aura was activated). We still don't know much about auras, but I assume Weiss could have temporarily got hers "down" and caused herself an injury, then deciding not to heal it.

      The fact we see her reflection in her eyes right before she inflicts the final hit tends to approve a bit of my theory. The song also seems to lean that way, "save me from the things I see, I can keep it from the world, why won't you let me hide from me?", it clearly doesn't sound to me like she is satisfied by herself. She seems highly judgemental of herself, and my guess is that she might actually hate herself when she doesn't meet her own expectations (or her father's, as many people seem to like the parent issue theory). There's also one other tiny thing, which might not be revelant at all (and might be just me reading into things much)... when she met Ruby for the first time, and said "so watch where you're going!" after scolding her, she looks another way, like she might feel guilty for going overboard. My point is, I think she is aware of the fact she is a difficult person, and even though she cannot help it (she has been raised this way), she stills feel angry at herself.

      That's it. I'm aware of the fact my theory sounds crazy, but I think it is a pretty great combination of "she has issues with herself" and "her parents abuse her". It seems to be the more coherent thing to me so far, but I'm open to any criticism, and any new theory. (Geez, I wrote a lot, I might emphasize the important parts...)

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    • Oh, and as to why the cut is vertical while the bleeding is horizontal : just because the blood is there, doesn't mean the injury is too. Blood flows, and we have a slight curve under our eyebrows, which would explain while the blood got "stuck" there instead of flowing down in a perfect vertical way. (I'm sorry about the lame description/explanation, my English fails me sometimes)

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    • Wendy Crescent wrote:
      I'm not sure where to post this as I am new to this wikia, so I guess this thread (that I've read entirely) will do.

      Well, welcome to the Wiki ^^

      And you could always start a new thread, but there's no need; here's as good a place as any for this discussion. Plus, I'm glad to see a thread other than Episode 16 or the JaunexPyrrha thread getting used.

      As for the theory... I like it. Your theory fits with a lot of assumptions that I've made about the Schnee household and lifestyle. I think it's more thought-out than most.

      However, I would like to point out that this fight is most likely Weiss training. In the original, unused intro to the show (Where This Will Be The Day plays), Weiss part was her stabbing practice dummies, while her dad (A dark, shadow figure) watched officially. It's a widely accepted theory (one that I agree with) that Weiss's father put her through cruel training beyond her skill level to try and persuade her to not be a huntress. The way I see it, this fight happens before Weiss even knows what aura is (in terms of protection, anyways), so the only shot she takes causes her serious damage. My guess is that her father let the wound scar over before teaching her how to use her aura, so she'd have a permanent reminder as to how hard and costly being a huntress is.

      Please forgive my extended counter-point, I'm naturally cynical. Sorry. So, in the interest of fairness,  I'll put it out there that some of my best friends have had similar problems with their lives (Like Weiss does have) and have done similar things to themselves (Like what you think Weiss has done), if that adds any validity to your theory.

      Oh, and trust me, you're not even bordering on what counts as crazy around here.

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    • Thanks for the welcome. And I've figured I wouldn't start a new thread when one is already talking about what I wanted to talk about, so..

      Oh, I haven't seen this intro? Is there anyway I could see it?

      But I don't think the fact this fight is a real training actually changes a lot to my theory. Of course, it adds a lot to take account of, but I don't see think it goes against the basic idea. As I said, Weiss's father putting a lot of pressure on her shoulder would explain why she'd punish herself for not meeting her father's expectation (and her own, at the same time). And do you mean he put her through a rough training to show her that life as a huntress would be rough? (I am not going against this statement, I just want to make sure I understand it right). Though, I don't agree with the "Weiss didn't know what aura was" thing. The way I see Weiss, she would totally be studying about it, trying to know as much as she could on the matter. Also, she seemed really competent while fighting the armour, so I believe she had been training/studying to be a huntress for a while. That being said, I still need to watch this unused intro to have a proper opinion on this, I'm just based on what you described.

      Even though psychology is important considering the matter, it's still hard to base theories on this, since it's all about interpretation. I admit my theory is mostly based on the fact she is sitting after the hit then falls down. Everything seemed to add up while I was looking for more proofs. But I've also known a whole lot of people (including myself) who have done what I believe Weiss has done, and I think it would totally fit her personality and storyline.

      And since I haven't seen a lot of people coming up with this idea (actually, none, I'm just assuming someone out there thought about it and never wrote it down), so I thought it was crazy. Huhu.

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    • The unused intro is still in storyboard form, but it's an easter egg on the RWBY DVD. Someone posted it on youtube here

      When I said "put her through rough training" I meant that (I think) he gave her challanges beyond her skill level or at the very maximum of what she could do, ex. fighting 30 AK-130's at once when she's only ready for 10. This would serve a dual purpose: Both showing her how tough life as a Huntress would be and persuading her to abandon that lifestyle. I always thought that Mr.Schnee wanted his heiress to run the company when he died, not run around fighting monsters, and would be even cruel to get that. This is mostly speculation, but the alternate intro confirms that he was a part of her training. If the Giant Armour fight was his doing, I think that just about proves his cruelty.

      As for the no aura argument... I just like looking for ways to get simple answers. I understand it's not likely (It's less likely than your idea, to be honest) but it would be an easy, quick, consice answer. That's not really Monty's stlye, though, is it?

      And no, the training idea doesn't go against your theory. In a way, it kind of adds more to it. It's just something to consider.

      Oh, and being the first to come up with an idea doesn't make you crazy, it makes you smart. Shipping JaunexGlynda makes you crazy, and I once saw a discussion on that...

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    • Well, the RWBY DVD is currently on its way to me, just waiting. Indeed, this video seems really interesting.

      I like your theory. That would explain why Weiss puts so much pressure on her teammate (mostly Ruby, actually). If she's been told "that's how rough huntress life is", she might have been surprised to see other people unprepared. This fits with the idea Weiss is a rebel (confirmed by Monty, and the side ponytail leads to think this way too). There is only one thing bothering me considering Weiss and her position in the SDC, it's how proud she is when Blake points out she is the heiress. If she truly wanted to be a huntress instead of a (an?) heiress, wouldn't she brush it off? Once again, that is up to our personal interpretation, but that reaction of her has always been bothering me. We don't know if the huntress dream was hers or her father. He might have forced her to be a huntress when she actually wanted to be a heiress (that seems crazy too, but we know so little).

      As for simple answers, we can just think she had used too much aura and thus couldn't protect herself, or she was too focused on the fight to heal herself. But that still doesn't explain why she was sitting and ended up laying after the ellipse. Indeed, the training idea adds up to the theory, and it becomes even more interesting. I hope they really try to add some depth to Weiss's character (many people still see her as the rich spoiled brat).

      ... shipping JaunexGlynda? That isn't crazy. That is INSANE.

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    • As far as I know, Weiss will automatically inherit the company upon her father's death. Maybe, even with all the home-life issues, she respects him as a buisnessman (And I'm sure that she won't mind inheriting his massive fortune).

      Weiss is one of my favorite characters. Not because I like her personality, but because she seems the most human of the group. She has flaws, but she also has reasons. She's not mean or bossy just because she's mean or bossy, but because she has backstory. Anything that Monty does to make Weiss more human will just improve her character, in my mind.

      And that JaunexGlynda discussion ended pretty quick. It was mostly someone suggesting it, a few people considering it, and everyone else getting creeped out.

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    • Even if she doesn't have any choice about inheriting the company, she may not like it. And her views on her father are still unknown, so I guess it is possible for her to admire her father.

      I absolutely agree with that. She has typically the kind of behavior I hate (how she treats others as inferior), but she has her reasons and she works on it. I think the best demonstration of it is when she made up with Blake - even though she obviously had a bad view on Faunus, she still managed to reflect upon herself and accept her teammate's heritage. That is one of the reason why I think she has so many issues with herself, I think she is aware of the "special environment" she has grown up in, but she tries to change somehow..

      I can't see how one can possibly imagine Jaune and Glynda together... Glynda and Ren, even though being still absurd, would make more sense. But argh.

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    • I don't think that she admires him. Understands the fact that he's intellegent and strong, and respects that? Maybe. Likes him and/or aspires to be like him? Not so much. In fact (and to combine our ideas), maybe she actually wanted to be the next owner of the SDC and dedicate her life to buisness, but her father was so cruel and/or abusive that she decided to be nothing like him and took the most opposite carrer choice possible - being a huntress.

      And I agree - she's definately aware of the fact that her life has been... different than most. I mean, she even admitted to being difficult. I always say that Weiss is a good person at her core, and that she's working on improving her more abrasive exterior. I really do believe that Weiss would be a great person of raised by another family; Rubys for example. Taking that into consideration, I'm highly interesed in what Weiss's character will be in two or three seasons.

      But this wiki will never cease suprise you with the discussions that pop up ^^

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    • ^ That's me, BTW. Wasn't signed in for whatever reason, sorry.

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    • I still wonder what role her mother played in her upbringing and the building of her character.

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    • From that opening, I actually have the feeling that her father will be major in the plot of the series somehow. It actually seems like a direct counterpart to Adam watching Blake in the actual opening.

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    • I'm aware the chances of her liking him are low, but I don't think they are to be taken out. I mean, Stockholm syndrome? (I don't know the exact term in English, is it syndrom, disease or what?) I don't really like the idea of her father being abusive, I know there is a high chance it might happen (out of every theories made so far), but it just sounds too cliché for me, even though it would indeed at depth to her character. I'm not really objective on that one though. As to answer PuffDragon's comment, my "easy" guess is that she passed away (basing myself on the fact Weiss feels so lonely). But she could also be as cruel as her husband, or just have no word to say in the situation. Honestly (and this is based on nothing), I kind of wish she would be the abusive one, and her father would be the supportive one.

      Weiss is definitely as socially awkward as Ruby, if not more. This leads me to think she had never really had to talk with "normal" (please use that term with caution as I'm too in a hurry to find anything better) people, thus making her irritated by their "unprofessionnal" behavior. I mean, if she had been used to seeing people acting just as her, with good manners and language, of course she would be mad at Ruby for behaving the way she does. I don't know if that made her "tilt" or not, but I think Ruby (and her teammates in general) played a lot in her wanting to "improve her more abrasive exterior" as you said.

      XDex : You make a great point... considering the Schnee family obviously has a great power over Remnant, I guess they would have to deal with them someday, against or with, I'm not sure, but that would be interesting.

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      From that opening, I actually have the feeling that her father will be major in the plot of the series somehow. It actually seems like a direct counterpart to Adam watching Blake in the actual opening.

      Yeah, those few seconds are the basis of most of my Schnee family theories.

      And yes, Wendy, Stockholm Syndrome is the correct term (Here in America, anyway). To be honest on the subject of Weiss's mother, I think that she's dead. It is an interesting idea, though, that she may still be alive and abusive. Although, I feel like Weiss would've mentioned her by now.

      RWBY has no doubt helped improve Weiss's character. Again, I feel like she has her reasons (which you stated) for being abrasive, and like most things, she'll get better with time.

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    • I'm ashamed, but I've only just now noticed Adam in the opening. Oopsie. I guess Weiss's father was taken out of the opening either because they thought it was too soon to "introduce" him (an appearence within an opening is not really introducing, but well), or either because they thought he wasn't that important. I tend to lean towards the former.

      Thanks for the information, Andrew. I also think that she is dead, it would make sense, and emphasizes on how lonely Weiss feel. I just like to look out for more theories, make sure I come prepared. Though, I don't think the fact Weiss haven't mentioned her mean anything. So far, only Weiss and Ruby had talked about their parents, and both of them only mentioned their fathers - by extansion, Yang's dad too, but she never went out her own way to talk about him. I don't think it necessarily means they lost their mothers, or Blake has no parents (no matter how high the odds are). I think the biggest mystery about Weiss right now (beside her scar, even though I'm sure they are linked somehow) is how and why Weiss is attending Beacon. Monty said everything was decided for her, thus making her act as a rebel. So, is attending Beacon part of what has been decided for her, or is this the manifestation of her rebellious state? I feel as if everything revolves around that question, because it would cover if yes or no her parents are abusive, thus explaining the scar (or at least erase some theories), and generally, it would reveal a lot about her situation.

      I'm sorry I'm rambling a lot about this, I may be getting worked up too much about it.

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    • My personal view on Weiss's backstory is that everything is intertwined. With people like Ruby, I can see certian parts (Summer) being independent of other parts (Her disire to become a Huntress). But with Weiss, it just seems like everything was caused by a previous (and likely painful) event. Something caused her scar, and he scar caused something else, and that caused her disire to become a huntress... or something along those lines. Most likely, weather or nor Beacon was decided for her depends on other events in her backstory, the scar being one of them.

      And there's no such thing as getting too worked up about RWBY ^^

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    • I totally agree with that. At that point, I think any new information about her past would grant a lot more. She seems to be, by far, the most complexed character so far. I'm not sure if there was a previous painful event, since it might also be the whole environment she lived that caused her to behave this way (and get the scar). It feels as if we hold a puzzle in our hands and we miss only one piece of it, to make it all become clear. Good job, Monty.

      Indeed there's no such thing as getting too worked up about RWBY, but the more I get obsessed with it, the more frustrated I get, knowing we'll only get more in July.

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    • RT definatly knows how to make a good puzzle, just look at RvB. And now that they have Monty as a leader on that front, I have a feeling that there's going to be a lot of hinting before the next big reveal. Hey, it does keep us interested.

      You'd be suprised by how fast the time flies. I remember back in January when I was thinking "Only half a year left!"... The wait will feel longer the closer the reveal gets, trust me.

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    • "...the most complexed character so far."

      A Freudian slip?

      The most complex character - or the character with most complexes?

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    • Personally I don't find her too complex. Going by the series (not the trailers), she is very opinionated and lived a life of privilege, making her use to getting her way and having people always agree with her. This leads to major conflict in the real world. Basically she is a spoiled brat with a lot of issues; nothing too complex there. I would consider Blake to be more complex, as she has a troubled past like Weiss, but she had to turn away from everything she knew to try and start fresh. She also has to hide her true nature and is not at odds with a group she thought of as her family. Jaune as well is an interesting character, as he wants to be the hero but doesn't have the skills and refuses to ask for help. He also forged his way into the school with the dream of being a hero. His interactions with the other characters and his fake-confident attitude is interesting as it hides his true fears.

      However this is just my opinion.

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    • In many ways, no matter how much you read into the 'rebel' concept with Weiss (which is only artist's notes, really) there is no doubt that the great development she is going through is to get used to a world where things no longer go the way she wants them to just because she wants it. She's having to get used to justifying her ideas or even to be wrong.

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    • Monty did say that the fresh prince of bel aire was one of his sources of inspiration for the series. It's been apparent for a while that Weiss and her interactions with just about everyone else are an inversion of the same premise.

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    • I do hope we'll get hints within the next months. I've only found out about the series a few weeks ago and every day seems to last a year.

      PuffDragon, the most complex character. And I just specified "so far", as we still don't know a lot about Yang or even Ruby, so my opinion is bound to change.

      Darkcloud1111, the trailers give a lot of hints about the characters so I don't see why we shouldn't base our opinions on them. Anyway. I did say complex, not hurt. Blake seems (so far) to be the most pained character, with everything she's been through and all the discriminations made to her race. However, complex and hurt are two different things. And what you've been through doesn't necessarely coincide with how bad your psychological issues might be. Even if Blake has been through a lot more than Weiss, doesn't mean she has more psychological issues. And being rich or having privileges don't mean you live a perfect life. Actually, I think being rich sometimes makes it harder, as you have no material reason to feel down/sad/hurt/angry. And if a rich person feel depressed, people will always tell them "why would you be depressed, you have everything you could ask for!", there is no empathy, leading to the feeling no one might understand, and thus, loneliness. I've never implied Weiss had been through more than her other teammates, I just think she has a stronger inner conflict. Jaune also had a strong inner conflict, but he sorted it out, he talked about it to Pyrrha, he had someone who made clear he wasn't alone. Anyway, I should really stop trying to put myself through the characters' shoes, it seriously drives me insane.

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    • The reason I don't want to bring the White trailer into my opinion of Weiss is because unlike the other three trailers, the person shown in the White trailer and the Weiss we meet in the series seem like two different people. For example, the abilities that White uses against the Giant Armor don't really seem to link up with the abilities Weiss uses in the show. For example in the show, Weiss uses fire, ice, and those platforms to push herself off of. In the trailer, she uses platforms, but they seem to teleport her around in a manner different from the show; as well as her knocking back the armor with some form of red energy and using a bunch of binding-type spells. The only thing that White and Weiss use that are the same are their ice attacks. Also Weiss doesn't really seem like the singing type. Really no songs in the show focus on Weiss and you would think that if she was a singer, she would go and sing something to blow off steam or at least have a song about her.

      There is also the fact that unlike the other three trailers, no one is really sure if the fight is just a metaphor or it really happened. I myself like to lean toward it being a metaphor because the trailer seems so different from the others and as I think I said above, White's reflection appears in her eye when she attacks the armor.

      I'm also well aware about the life of a rich kid being hard. I have to constantly defend a character on another wiki who has a Movie Star Dad and everyone calls her out on it, saying her life should be all rainbows and sunshine. I understand that Weiss probably had a difficult childhood, especially after she said she had a difficult childhood. However so far her defining feature seems to just be that she is incredibly opinionated, she gets into fight with a member of her team, then makes up later. She gets into a big debate with Blake and then wants to turn her into the police for awhile, which is after she told Ruby a few episodes earlier that she would be the best teammate ever. She is really impressing me on that note btw. But what I'm saying about the life of privilege is that her opinionated attitude is probably a result of her always getting her way, something Peter Port points out right away. She has no censor for her thoughts so she just keeps getting into fights, once again leading to "get into fight with teammate, make up later, rinse and repeat."

      I also can tell the difference between "hurt" and "complex." What I like about Blake isn't the fact that she has a dark past, it is the fact that she is trying to overcome her past. She knows that she has done terrible things and is trying to make up for it by devoting her life to protecting people. She also has to learn to trust those around her, which none of the others seem to have a huge problem with. Jaune also had to sort out his problems with himself, his team, and his priorities. It was an interesting arc and I hope he learned something from it.

      Like I said, this is just my opinion on the matter and to each their own.

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    • You made a rather interesting point. However, by saying the trailers give off a lot of informations, I was mostly referring to the songs. For exemple, From Shadows basically tell us about Blake's Faunus heritage. Red Like Roses seem to talk about someone Ruby has lot. I burn is the only soundtrack we can't learn anything from (except Yang is a total badass). Mirror Mirror tells us a lot about Weiss's inner conflit, and is one of the reason why I think Weiss has a lot of issues with herself. The video itself is different, because as you said, the trailer Weiss and the show Weiss seem different, but trailer Ruby and show Ruby are different too. And about Weiss's skills, it is possible she hasn't used her "teleportation" thing in the show just yet, but it might happen someday. I don't really agree with your point about Weiss singing. The fact no song focus on Weiss doesn't mean she isn't able to sing.

      I absolutely agree with the point Port and yourself made about Weiss and her poor social skills, however I don't see how it goes against my own opinion? She is incredibly opinionated but that doesn't mean she isn't the character with the most difficult psychological issues? Or did I miss something in your message? I mean, I've never said she had "valuable" reasons to have issues, or that something important happened in her life to make her feel this way. I just think she is the most... psychologically instable. Blake, even though she has a dark past, she seems to be mentally stronger. As for Jaune, I'm not really sure, I'm really conflicted about him.

      Of course, I respect your entire opinion, I'm just trying to understand.

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    • As far as the song thing, I'm not saying that she can't sing, I'm just saying that if she is a singer then maybe the show should point it out. I mean her trailer opens up with her in front of a huge stadium, yet at Beacon she doesn't even hum a tune when walking down a hallway. It just seems weird to me that someone supposedly good at singing never sings and never really does anything musically related. It just feels like White and Weiss are really far apart. I can at least see Red and Ruby as being close, as Ruby does have an overconfident attitude and mentions to Weiss that taking down the Beowolves should have been easy (as she does this in the trailer). Blake and Yang seem the closest to their trailer counterparts however.

      Also as far as Weiss' opinionated attitude, I'm just saying that a character shouldn't be built around one trait. Weiss is highly opinionated, something we learn early on. However we really don't learn much else about her besides the fact that she is highly opinionated. It is a bit disappointing when Weiss' main interaction with Ruby is the same as it is for Blake (get into fight, stay mad for awhile, rethink things, accept person). To me this doesn't make Weiss complex, but repetitive. Obviously Weiss does have reason for having this type of trait and her anger at the White Fang is justified, but I just feel like there could be more.

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    • Just because we haven't learned a lot about Weiss doesn't mean that she's not complex. We didn't know much about Blake's backstory before the last few episodes, but no one called her out as being built around one or two traits, even though she basically was. And the person most different from their trailer would have to be Ruby. If I didn't know better, I'd even say that Red and Ruby are different people. That in mind, I assume that Ruby is gonna become much darker for a short period in a later season, maybe after she learns about Summer.

      Speaking of trailers, I just had a new theory concerning not just Weiss's scar, but the entire White trailer. What if, instead of being a metaphor, a training session, or anything else, it was entirely imaginary? Stick with me here. When I do something boring/that I don't like, I let my imagination run wild. For example, when I'm walking on the tredmill, I just vividly imagine my OC killing Grimm or my fellow Spartans and I killing Covenant and protecting Earth, because thinking about walking on the tredmill is just too boring.

      When Monty said that "Everything was decided for Weiss", maybe her singing career was included in that? Let's say that her father decided the she was to sing for a living. Her true passion was to become a Huntress. Even though she's a great singer, she hates it, and during singing, she just dreams about what she truely wants. To fight.  As I'd gladly sign up for the Spartan program if it was 2552, Weiss would gladly become a huntress if she could. Thing is, Weiss can become a huntress, and she did. Because she's apparently rebellious like that.

      To expand upon that, maybe she got her scar in some really embassising/stupid way when she was younger and without aura. You know, like falling or scratching her eye on a stick. In her mind, she got her scar doing something epic because she's too embarresed to admit how she actually got it.

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    • I actually found the moments surrounding Blake to be very informative despite the lack of focus on her. During her first introduction, she is able to move in and break up a fight between Ruby and Weiss right before it became physical (she arrives just as Ruby starts to fight back). She basically deflects all of Weiss' anger away from Ruby and eventually gets her to back off, beating Weiss and saving Ruby from Weiss' anger. Then as soon as Weiss leaves, she leaves as well having done what she meant to do; not even caring for recognition from Ruby. We also learn of her world-view in relation to Ruby right before the initiation.

      Then during it, we see that Blake acts very "above it all," not really caring for the test like it is no challenge at all and commenting on the weirdness around her, but quickly gets serious when the Nevermore arrives. Then during classes, she seems much more open and goes along with a lot of Ruby and Yang's ideas. This seems really out of character for her from what we saw earlier, but it could be Blake trying to fit in more by playing a part that would allow the team to feel more comfortable around her. The last two episodes however just expanded on her character more.

      Anyway, we got a little off topic here.

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    • Darkcloud1111 wrote:

      She [Blake] knows that she has done terrible things and is trying to make up for it

      This right here is really the major difference between Blake and Weiss. While Blake seems to accept her past faults and attempts to move on to being a better person, Weiss has issues with that.

      She may realise when she's in the wrong, but something in her nature causes her to reject flat-out admitting to her faults. She "makes up" with her friends, sure, but she never approaches it directly, instead taking a roundabout way that really focuses on how everyone has faults. While she's right, I personally think it is her place to apologise for what she did (as Blake was trying to do), and let others handle their own apologies.

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    • Weiss, like a lot of children of extreme high-performers, has likely been raised with a "Don't explain, don't apologise, always aim to win" mind-set. Admitting to having faults, even to herself, is probably extremely difficult for her. That is what makes her actions at the end of The Badge and The Burden, Pt.2 so important in her character growth.

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    • Albeit through gritted teeth, yes. That was a big step in the right direction.

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    • well, she was probably reluctant before. the fact that Ruby had studied herself to exhaustion probably made her more willing to complement Ruby. After that point, it struck me as less gritted teeth and more having absolutely no idea how to go about it.

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    • I think having "no idea" how to handle it is probably a one sentance summary of Weiss's entire relationship with Ruby to date.

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    • pretty much.

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    • Sooo... I've just received the RWBY Volume 1 DVD and immediately rushed to watch the two commentaries. And please correct me if I'm wrong (as English isn't my native language, so I sometimes have some difficulties understanding everything perfectly), but I think the writers said Weiss had the biggest developments of all the characters, as the seasons go on (around 16 minutes in the commentary), you understand why she is who she is. Which leads me to think, once again, that there is a lot more to her personality than we can think of when we watch the first volume.

      I'll be honest, I'm really new to Rooster Teeth/RWBY (discovered RWBY about a month ago), but from what I've figured, it seems to me that the writers like to surprise and break the idea we basically had of the characters. For example, many (including myself) thought Jaune was just a dumb clumsy loser (that we would come to love anyway), until they found out Jaune was actually having serious issues with himself, and had a deeper personality than we originally thought. So right now, I wouldn't be surprised if Yang turned out to be super serious in her studies, or if Blake was actually the kind to daydream in class (I've watched The Badge and the Burden couple of times and it actually seem possible). My point is, I believe they have already prepared a huge storyline for Weiss, and I wouldn't be surprised if said storyline became sort of a plot-twist. That's why I can't get myself to believe Weiss is just a spoiled brat who overreacts when she doesn't get what she wants - there is certainly something deeper behind it.

      Blake might be one of the most mysterious characters because of how quiet she is, but there were a whole lot of hints about her past and her Faunus heritage throughout the episodes : Yang pointing out she wears her bow even when she is in her pyjamas, the bow twitches, her battle skills, the fact she sleeps with her bow on, the remark she makes when talking about Cardin bullying Velvet ("he's not the only one"), her knowledge on the Faunus war, the trailer and the song that goes with it... basically, the writers and producers really tried to hint at it, so even though she was the most mysterious character, we still knew a lot about her from tiny details such as the ones I wrote above. So far, Blake is probably the character we know the most about (even though there are still some things we need to uncover such as "who the hell is Adam exactly?").

      They can't possibly introduce every characters' past within a single volume (firstly because of time issues, secondly because that wouldn't be interesting).

      I'm writing a lot to say rather evident and useless things, but my point is: we know nothing about the characters' past except for Blake's. There are still a lot coming. The producers and writers heavily implied there was a lot of surprises and character development awaiting us. So Weiss can't possibly be bossy/bitchy/picky/difficult/anyotherpejorativeadjective just because she got everything she ever wanted so far. I still like to imagine some nearly impossible scenarios that would add more depth to her character (and don't worry, I do the same for all characters in team RWBY, not only Weiss, but she definitely has the most potential)

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    • Oopsie, I forgot to ask something. I know this may be off-topic (well, we're technically off-topic already) but at the end of episode 15, Weiss says "ever since I was a child, I've watched family friends disappear" (once again, I'm not 100% confident in my understand of talked English). Does she mean she has lost members of family and her friends, or does she mean some people close to her family (so, considered as friends of the family) died? It is subtle but it would make a great different to our interpretation of her social awkwardness, since one would imply she, indeed, has had friends (and many people within the fandom believe she never had friends before, or any social interaction besides family and possibly tutors).

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    • 'Friends of the family' normally denotes people close to someone in the family other than oneself.

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    • I know what "friends of the family" means, but I wondered if she was talking about her family's friends or her friends, which would be different, and no matter how many times I've listened to this sentence, I just don't know if I should write a coma or not between "family" and "friends".

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    • They were probably something of surrogate 'aunts' and 'uncles'. They weren't blood kin but close enough that their deaths were a personal blow to her and an even more profound blow to her father.

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    • Thanks for the answers.

      Then there is still no mention of her having friends before coming to Beacon and we can still assume she has really poor social skills due to that.

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    • Wendy Crescent wrote:
      I know what "friends of the family" means, but I wondered if she was talking about her family's friends or her friends, which would be different, ...
      • sigh*

      My definitiom was: 'Friends of the family' normally denotes people close to someone in the family,,,

      ...other than oneself!

      So it very clearly - or so was my intent and impression - defines people other than HER personal friends.

      I'd almost go further in saying that I would exclude personal friends by the definition 'family friend', as personal friends I'd always call 'my friends', but then there are those who are everybody's darling.

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    • What I meant was, I didn't know if she said "family friends disappear" or "family, friends disappear". The comma is really important in this case.

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    • most likely the former. Technicly, the latter isn't syntaxicly correct, although the context and the way it is spoken could make it viable anyway.

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    • Perhaps Weiss got her scar from her father during her childhood when the Faunus were killing off people close to her family. They did say that he "came home furious" and that she had a "very difficult childhood".

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    • 72.71.242.19 wrote: Perhaps Weiss got her scar from her father during her childhood when the Faunus were killing off people close to her family. They did say that he "came home furious" and that she had a "very difficult childhood".

      One popular theory is that the Armor in her trailer is a metaphor for her father, who would abuse her (resulting in her scar). She then fought back against him and left to become a Hunter. This is all just speculation however.

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    • I'm one of the supporters of the metaphor theory, though I'm not 100% sure it represents her father. It could just represent her life's problems and challenges. Could really be either, I don't know.

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    • XDex wrote: I'm one of the supporters of the metaphor theory, though I'm not 100% sure it represents her father. It could just represent her life's problems and challenges. Could really be either, I don't know.

      I agree with that. On another forum, the topic was that during the trailer when Weiss is about to deal the finishing blow, when she looks at the Armor you can see her own reflection in her eye. This could mean that Weiss fights herself on major decisions she makes and it manifests as a giant suit of armor because reasons.

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    • Personallty, i think that the giant armour was her father and she was abused when she was very young. so this could lead to an exaggerated metaphor/memory. The song also suggests that she is lonely or depressed, so this metaphor/memory could be a way to cope with it, further explaining the exaggeration.

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    • So we can all agree that at some point in her past, Weiss was driven insane by either her isolation from people or because of her father's abuse toward her. As a result, Weiss has little grasp of reality and tends to exaggerate everything, including her own memories. The only thing keeping her from a straight jacket is her belief that if she is perfect, her father will love her. This causes Weiss to lash out at those that she feels aren't perfect, which in her twisted mind is everyone that doesn't follow the rules or is not skilled in combat. This explains her inicial hatred for Ruby, Jaune, Sun, Blake, and the White Fang in general, as well as her hopes of teaming up with Pyrrha, the one other person at the school that Weiss saw as "Perfect."

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    • I think that that's taking it too far. However, I do agree that Weiss is probably poorly socialised (if at all) and has fixated on being 'perfect' because she thinks that's the key to making her father unconditionally accept her. Because she demands nothing but the best from herself and has so little understanding of others, she can't stand people who don't meet her standards of perfection.

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    • I admit was was highly exaggerating that whole thing, not unlike a certain white-haired heiress would have.

      >_>

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    • what indication is there that she exagerates?

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    • Here are a few example of Weiss taking small incidents and turning them into bigger events then they needed to be:

      1. When Ruby knocks over her bags in one of the first episodes, Weiss goes on this huge tirade instead of just telling Ruby to be careful. Even after Ruby apologizes, Weiss just keeps knocking her down. Not to mention all the Dust she had in those suitcases were designed to carry Dust and make sure things like that didn't happen.
      2. She later claims that Ruby almost blasted them off the school, but in reality the explosion did very little actual damage to either of them. This also means that they weren't in nearly as much danger as Weiss said they were in during her whole argument with Ruby.
      3. After Sun jumps off the ship, she expects that one criminal act will eventually lead him to joining the White Fang. That is like saying smoking marijuana will eventually lead you to doing cocaine.
      4. During her fight with the Boarbatusk, Weiss singles out Ruby and yells at her despite all of her teammates cheering her one. She later yells at Ruby again, despite Ruby actually giving her helpful advice (which she later uses). She is basically exaggerating how much of a distraction Ruby is and is really just psyching herself out. You could also say she is ignoring her other teammates and only focusing on Ruby.
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    • Second one's valid. The others... well, 1 is her being overly iritable (incidentally, Those cases weren't dust safe at all, she just had them in jars instead of the sealed canisters we saw in the shops. Rather amusing really)

      3 is her just plain assuming the worst of any faunus she runs into.

      and 4 she doesen't really exagerate anything. she just takes any excuse to yell at Ruby.

      Though funnily enough all three of those moments are ones I kinda like about Weiss because of the implications of the subtle details in them. One thing nobody seems to pick up on is that Weiss only ever refers to faunus as bad people (thieves, criminals, etc), when Cardin and Roman only ever refer to them as animals and not people ar all. Stuff like that.

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    • 3 I feel is completely justified. Most people keep saying that Weiss is racist against Faunus, but in reality she isn't. She clearly states several times that she hates the White Fang. She has nothing against Faunus that have no connection to them. However Sun did commit a small crime by stowing away on a ship, which leads Weiss to think that he will join the White Fang eventually. That seems like a big leap to me.

      As far as 1 goes, the Dust was in a jar that was surrounded by what looked like foam to lesson any impact. They weren't just rolling around in her suitcases or that would have caused an explosion. Number 4 was a stretch...

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    • It's the leaky jars that I find funny, myself..

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    • I wouldn't hold it against Weiss that she associates crime with a, well, criminal (if not terrorist) orginization. It's likely that the Schnee family has never expirenced crime outside of the White Fang. They're really too powerful to be threatened by muggers or robbers. I wouldn't even be suprised if Mr.Schnee goes everywhere on a personal airship with a small army of ex-hunter bodyguards. I mean, we saw how much effort went into protecting a train. How well protected do you think Mr.Schnee (and by extension, Weiss) is? I'd say borderline untouchable (and wouldn't at all be suprised if the people carrying her bags in Episode 2 were trained Hunters).

      Anyway, it's not a stretch to associate crime with the only source of crime that you've ever expirenced. I can very easily see how Weiss's mind is working:

      Crime = White Fang, Sun = Crime, thus Sun = White Fang.

      From Weiss's POV, it's not that much of a stretch, really.

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    • But that is the thing, to most people it does seem like a stretch. The fact that Weiss is able to connect the dots so easily truly shows how crazy she is.

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    • I agree to the point that it seems like a stretch to most people, myself included. Because it is a stretch. What we've got to remember, though, is that Weiss isn't "Most people". She's a mega-rich Heiress to what may be the single most powerful orginization on the planet, (possibly) abused by her family and hated by many, target of constant attempts at her life and the life of her loved ones, sheltered in almost every way from the true state of the world, life absent of simple things like friendship, and maybe even love... and all that's not even going into the fact the Remnant is nothing like Earth (And the fact that it would be much more taxing, both mentally and physically, to live there).

      So, I wouldn't say that she's crazy as much as arrogent; I would also venture to say that her arrogence isn't her fault. The Ice Princess is cold because her environment demanded she be that way. She toughened up to survive, to make life easier, and maybe even bearable in it's best moments. The few times that we see beyond her harsh exterior, she's heart-touchingly sweet. If she melts, she'll be one of the nicest characters on the show. That's the Weiss I hope see. I see the girl, not the trope. The human, not the heiress. And there's no reason for Monty not to take that angle. It's feels gold.

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      indeed, who could possibly be insane enough to apply logic..

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    • Just to clarify something, but I don't think Weiss is actually crazy. Does she have deep routed social problems, an unrealistic grasp of reality, as well as an ego that makes a Nevermore look like a robin; Yes. You can say that her arrogance isn't her fault, but she is still arrogant.

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    • Her misunderstanding of Faunus (and life in general) may not be her fault, but you still have to suck it up eventually and become a better person, even for those things that aren't your fault. Weiss has yet to truly accept that she needs to change, let alone change it. (As opposed to Blake, who has already accepted it, made a change, and is working onimproving)

      This isn't to say I dislike Weiss -she's my second favorite RWBY member- but I await her self-improvement.

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    • Well, I personally think that there's some major, yet-unrevealed plot points standing in the way of a Weiss character shift. I'm certianly not against it, but I also can't see one of the main protagonists being, well, Weiss without a deep reason or meaning that may be essential to her character of the overall plot. That, however, is just speculation.

      She's certianly got problems, and she should certianly work torards becoming a better person. However, it's clear that not only is she (at her core) a nice person, but that she has the capacity to change. All she needs it to see something real. Blake helped her through a stage of White Fang-Faunus arrogence (At least, partially) by showing her a real situation with real people, albeit unintentionally. Maybe Yang could intoduce Wiess to being social. Ruby could teach her friendship. Jaune, humility. Pyrrha, respect. Nora, fun. Ren, the art of being quiet for once. So on, and so fourth. 

      Weiss is, in a way, like a child. She hasn't expirenced many things that we regard as normal, and has to be shown those things. I can't hold that against her, though. It's forgivable, as it's not her fault, and all she needs is for someone to show her how to improve. Outside of her backstory (and that's just speculation), nothing is standing in the way of her warming up and softening her nature. I'm sure that she wants to improve. I doubt that she knows how.

      Either way, I'd rather have a friend with a cold exterior but a soft heart as opposed to one with a warm exterior but a cold heart. I've met many people who were the second, and I can't say I've liked a single one of them. Besides the mega-rich, mega-powerful thing, I have many friends who are very similar to Weiss, only abrasive and harsh because they just expect you to be that way. They're all really sweet when you get to know them, though.

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    • I'm still hoping for an episode where Ruby and Yang invite Weiss and Blake to spend a holiday period at their home. I just think that Weiss's reaction to a 'normal' family and home would be wonderful.

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    • Somehow I have me doubts about the normality of Ruby's and Yang's home...

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    • (I feel this thread is becoming more epic with Weiss now being in the background)

      I think Weiss's efforts to accept Faunus are extremely underestimated. First of all, the episode was made so people would side with Blake, thus making Weiss looks like the 'villain' (take this word lightly as I can't find another better one). Second of all... have you ever met racist, homophobic, sexist or any other kind of discriminatory people? I'm sure you have, everyone has. I'm not really one to judge too quickly, and I don't know what is going on inside their head, but I've rarely seen these people accepting what they previously thought was unacceptable, and certainly not within two days. Many racist, homophobic and sexist persons would never agree they need to reconsider their opinion, because they are sure they are right. That is actually the case of a lot of people, even those who aren't being discriminatory. But Weiss did reconsider her opinion, despite everything she was told and the traumatic experiences she had left. Within two freaking days. I don't think she has accepted Faunus entirely yet, I don't think she would hug Blake and be all friendly with her, but she has made one step toward tolerance, one huge step. She referred to Sun as "someone", instead of a rapscallion, thus admitting he wasn't worth less than a human, that he was a person. Gosh, am I the only one who got seriously surprised at this change?

      She actually had this behavior twice before. First time, when she saved Ruby from the Death Stalker. ("'And I suppose I can be a bit... difficult") This may be an understatement, but she somewhat managed to have an outside view of herself, and realize her behavior wasn't the best. Not many people are able to do it. Second time, when she talked to Ruby at night, admitting she had what it took to be a good leader. A few hours prior, she was being a brat yelling at Ruby, complaining, bragging about how superior she was, trying to make 'those in powers' to reconsider the leader of the team. But she still went her own way to talk to Ruby and admit she was wrong - once again, she didn't bluntly say it, but by contradicting herself, she still admitted her previous statement was wrong.

      What I mean is, Weiss definitely isn't the best skilled at social interactions, but she tries a whole lot to do so. She isn't as full of herself as she appears to be, because she still has enough objectivity to realize she is wrong and correct it, even though she doesn't say it explicitly. It seems obvious to me she only tries to make friends, even though her behavior isn't friendly, she tries to change, so she wouldn't lose Ruby or Blake (we still haven't seen her interacting with Yang after they teamed up).

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    • I'd go along that line saying she is head-controlled.  Meaning she goes about things in a theoretical, scientific approach.   'Gut feeling' is not her's.

      She studies, she trains, she's ambitious and wants to excel.  When Prof. Port tells her to be the best person she can be, she redefines her goal - to be the best team mate ever!

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    • I like to view her as someone who has feelings but hides them because of pride. Being a heiress, I guess she was taught to be somehow heartless. For some people, showing emotions is a sign of weakness, and I think Weiss might be one of them.

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    • You're right, Wendy, Weiss definitely comes off as that type of person. Because of her "royal" upbringing, her parents have probably instilled the idea in her that she needs to always appear composed, even as horrible things are going on around her. Notice how she pushed Ruby away and immediately changed her reasoning for hating the White Fang as soon as Ruby tried to comfort her? She realized she was showing too much emotion/giving away too much information, and if her parents were to ever find out, they wouldn't stand for it.... So yeah, she definitely has feelings, but she'd rather be cold and distant if it means keeping up appearances for herself and for her family.

      I'm sure with time, Weiss will eventually start to come out of her shell. I'm still curious to learn more about her family, and I would love to see some father-daughter interactions (even if it's just one time) between the two in the near future. It would give us a much better idea of her relationship with her father, and whether or not he's actually the cruel person everyone has made him out to be thus far. I'm kind of rooting for Mr. Schnee to be the bad guy in all of this, having forced his opinions down Weiss's throat in the process, and that eventually, Weiss will realize that her father is the one who had lied to her all along. It would allow for major character development for Weiss should she break away from her father's ideals, and finally start to think for herself.... That's honestly what I think Weiss's biggest problem is - as much as she tries to make herself appear to be an indepent person, none of her thoughts are actually her own; they're all her father's.

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    • I usually refer to the second episode to prove she is self-conscious. After scolding Ruby, she says "So... watch where you're going!" and turns her head. I may not be a psychologist, but it felt as if she was ashamed of what she just said. She seems to be pushing people away from her, until she talks with M. Port and realizes that, maybe, having teammates is more important than she thought. I think she is really similar to Ruby in this perspective; she is an introvert, she doesn't know how to deal with people, and she has yet to realize how great a relationship can be. Unlike Ruby, she doesn't have anyone like Yang to support it in the process.

      To be honest, even though having an abusive father would add a lot more to her personality, I still find it a little bit too predictable. I like to think she is actually the one pressuring herself to be perfect, perhaps to prove herself, or getting some recognition from her father, I wouldn't know. She just said he came home furious. Maybe she tried to a perfect daughter so he wouldn't be as angry, and when she realized it wouldn't work, she became kind of a rebel. This is just a theory and I'm not exactly objective. No matter what, her father still holds an importance place in her life (be it positive or negative), I just don't think he is necessarily the one making her go through all this. 

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    • Hmm, that's an interesting theory.... And perhaps her father didn't pay as much attention to Weiss as she would've liked because he, himself didn't want her to see him in such a way (angry/upset/crushed over the White Fang)? If he ends up not being as bad a guy as a lot people think, then it's possible Weiss is more like her father than she thinks (withdrawn, pushing people away, always trying to control the situation so she won't end up getting hurt/hurting the people she cares about).... I just really hope to get inside Weiss's head (and Yang's, too, as we still don't know much about her) a little more come Volume 2.

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    • Indeed. I like to think he isn't really the bad guy, but I'm aware of the fact he probably is (it isn't the most popular theory for no reason). And as cliché at it sounds, I think Weiss is also behaving this way simply because she is a teenager, and she is trying to break the rules she has always lived by. She is 17, and that should be taken into consideration. I also wish to know more about her and Yang in volume 2. (Talking about this, it seems the color of her eyes have changed on volume 2, a bit disappointed here).

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    • Whose eyes, Weiss's or Yang's?

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    • Weiss's.

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    • Hmm, they don't appear too different to me. A little greyer, maybe, but not too much of a difference.

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    • (I'm fairly new to the Wiki, so please excuse me *Bows*)

      Hey, there. While I appreciate the lull in conversation and I hate to backtrack, I'd like to address a point I remembered earlier during my reading of this thread (I'm gonna regret this...). I personally prefer the idea of Weiss becoming a Huntress by her own choice, but, if you look back to Episode 2, you can clearly see some men with her after she splutters at Blake. They're dressed in suits, and collect all of the scattered suitcases, so it's safe to say they're probably hired by the Schnee company to 'move' Weiss in, right? Well, why would the Schnee's gift their rebel of a Heiress, who might have ran away from home, with her own personal bodyguards? My thoughts:

      1) Weiss was forced to go to Beacon

      2) She was given permission to become a Huntress

      3) The guards helped her on their own accord

      4) Weiss hired them after running away

      These were the only solutions I came up with, but most of them seem unlikely. When it comes to number three, would brutes like them risk losing their jobs within the Schee company, just to repay her? They don't seem like the type, and the pay they're probably used to is bound to be good. As for the first two, they are complete opposites; the first enforces the idea of Weiss's father being in control of her, while the second undermines the cruel traits that he is hinted at having. That leaves us with the last one, which I find a little more confusing. Say Weiss did flee into the night, would she have enough spare cash to borrow these guys? Yes, Beacon provides everything she needs in terms of food, water, ect., but it'd be a shame to waste. On the otherhand, Weiss would be so used to having such a comfortable style that she wouldn't think twice about spending some extra dough, especially prior to her character development.

      I'm a little off-track with the whole scar theme, but wouldn't this help rule out some theories? Don't get me wrong, I love this thread; I just want my head to stop imploding on itself, is all ^^'

      Any comments? 

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    • ^{Whoops, I might not have been clear when I said "just to repay her". What I meant was, to repay her for some personal favor they might have owed her. And when I said "pay they're used to", I means it as in, the money they are paid for working with the Schnee company. Thank you ^^}

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    • I'm thinking that Weiss decided to become a Huntress on her own, much to her father's dismay, but that he eventually realized he couldn't stop her, and grudginly allowed her to attend Beacon. I don't think she ran away, and she appears to be enjoy being a Huntress way too much for the lifestyle to have been forced on her. It definitely had to be a mutual decision.

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    • the opening was originally going to show Weiss training while a silhouetted depiction of her father watched. All things considered, it seems he's at least ok with her going to Beacon.

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    • And the guys carrying her suitcases were not bodyguards but simply valets - servants.

      I assume also she didn't arrive by the airship with everybody, but on some private transportation.

      The fact alone that she has such amount of luggage speaks against her having run away.

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    • Oh, aren't you the same Wikia contributor that commented on the Weiss's speed thread? Welcome. Fancy seeing you there.You make an important point here. I don't think the guards helped her without the Schnee company's full agreement (she doesn't seem to be close to them, and I don't think they would risk getting fired). At some point, Weiss's parents had to agree with Weiss becoming a huntress, weither they forced it upon her, or they reluctantly accepted.

      As 13th madman said, he appears in the Storyboard Opening, watching Weiss training. He can either appear as the evil man forcing his daughter to train and observing her, or he had nothing to do with it and she was secretly training, except he found out. There are probably other theories, but what I mean is, this opening doesn't necessarily mean he is forcing her to train, she might also be unaware of the fact he knows about her training. (I'm not sure I'm clear, I'm sorry) Either way, he knows, and he agreed at some point.

      Also, I'd like to point out the facial expressions the characters make during Ozpin's speech (episode 3). When he says "you plan to dedicate your life to the protection of the people", Yang is smiling, Ruby looks excited and Weiss seems... sad? I'll add a picture so you can see which scene I'm referring to. This may be a detail, but I still find it important, as she appears to be the only one who is not happy when heard about the job of a huntress. Also, this is not due to her grumpy personality; she has smiled plenty of times in the show. 
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    • Yeah, I noticed that, too.... It's weird, though, because when she's fighting, she really seems to enjoy it, and she really seems to take pride in her abilities. It's really hard to say whether she wants to be there or not, because while she seems like she enjoys it, this scene right here seems to contradict it.... Unless a part of her knows that once her education at Beacon is over, she'll have to return home and take over the SDC? Maybe her father made some kind of compromise with her allowing to attend Beacon, letting her do her own thing for 4 years, but then once that is over, she has to return home and do what he asks her to do?

      I really hope we can get some more elaboration on this come Volume 2. I feel like Weiss really does want to be a Huntress, but that there's definitely something (presumably her father) holding her back....

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    • Either that, or she feels bad about being rude towards Ruby. That's the other conclusion I came up with during that scene.

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    • It might not be Ozpin's words that was making her sad but the memories of all the bad things that had happened to her that brought her to this place and time.

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    • ^That's also a good point.

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    • It could be that they're all starting a new era of their lives, and Weiss is undertsandably a little nervous. Yang loves to fight and Ruby's a hero; Being Huntress should come natural to them. It's likely, though, that Weiss has never done something like this before... espicially if becoming a huntress goes against her father's wishes.

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    • About her "pride", I think Weiss is the kind of person that always looks for recognition. She wants to be praised, so she wants to excel in everything, even things she doesn't particularly like. She seems really serious about being a huntress, unlike the rest of team RWBY. I mean, as Andrew said, Yang loves to fight, Ruby wants to be hero, I'll add that Blake is trying to avoid the White Fang (and possibly wants to make up for the crimes she has comitted), it doesn't seem like the three of them take it really seriously, no matter how badly they might want it. I like the idea she might just be nervous about it, though she still seems confident in her skills (or is that just a façade?).

      I wonder (sudden hypothesis that might be just crap) if she wants to be a Huntress for the persons she has lost during her life. After dealing with so many loss, she might just want to protect people. So, thinking about her job as a potential future Huntress (let's hope so) would make her think of the people she lost, thus making her sad.

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    • Hmm, that's also a really good theory. Maybe she feels like if someone taught her how to fight back when the attacks from the White Fang first started, she would've been able to save her friends/family, and kind of like Blake, she's trying to make up for the lives she lost? Guilt could be a very big factor, too. Weiss seems like she's hanging onto a lot of guilt, and maybe it's just her own mind putting those ideas in her head, or maybe it's her father's behavior that makes her feel that way.... I still say we have so much more to learn about Weiss before drawing any final conclusions, but of course, we'll get to that eventually as the series progresses :)

      Do you think Weiss is referencing the White Fang attacks in Mirror, Mirror? "Mirror, mirror, what's behind you? Save me from the things I see? I can keep it from the world." The parts I'm still trying to figure out are, "Fear of what's inside me; tell me can a heart be turned to stone?" and "Why won't you let me hide from me?" I feel like those are more based on her emotions, but I'm still not exactly sure. The others seem to possibly indicate the war between SDC and WF.


      (Also, someone mentioned above that Mr. Schnee's shadow can be seen watching Weiss train? I've watched both the White trailer and the opening sequence numerous times, and have yet to see any figure that may represent her father.)

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    • it was going to be in the opening sequence. they cut it and just had those few seconds with her in the castle instead. There's a storyboard somehwere that shows the original plan.

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    • Wow, just saw it.... I wonder why they took that part out, it would've worked great! Also, love the part where Nora leap-frogs Jaune.

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    • Or maybe she thinks these attacks will happen again and she needs to defend herself and others this time. Both theories seem fine to me. I agree Weiss seems to hold some sort of guilt, whenever I watch the show I always feel like she is uncomfortable with herself. This is totally subjective, and I admit my first theory to the scar (and still my favorite so far) plays a lot in this opinion, but I can't help but think she hides her unsecurities behind a wall of pride. I think she is trying to look confident to hide the fact she is actually not.

      I don't think her theme song references to the White Fang. Though, it seems like she knows something no one else does, this might be either something about the SDC (something she wouldn't agree with but would be forced to remain silent), or something about herself (a part of her she would try to hide and forget). I tend to lean towards the latter, mostly because of the "fear of what's inside me, tell me can a heart be turned to stone?", it sounds as if she forces herself to be emotionless because she is afraid of feeling. She might have been hurt too many times in the past and now wishes to feel nothing, so it wouldn't happen again. Though this is only speculation, once again, that's all we can do.

      And a lot of people agree the Storyboard opening had some nice elements to it :) The thing is, we don't know if they took some parts out (eg Weiss's father) because of esthetic choices, because of pragmatical choices or because they decided to change the story a little bit. Since we're not sure, I don't think we can really rely on it...

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    • Wendy Crescent wrote:
      Or maybe she thinks these attacks will happen again and she needs to defend herself and others this time. Both theories seem fine to me. I agree Weiss seems to hold some sort of guilt, whenever I watch the show I always feel like she is uncomfortable with herself. This is totally subjective, and I admit my first theory to the scar (and still my favorite so far) plays a lot in this opinion, but I can't help but think she hides her unsecurities behind a wall of pride. I think she is trying to look confident to hide the fact she is actually not.

      Totally agree! I'd like to say, in terms of what we know about the characters so far, Weiss seems to have the most layers. It's like every time we see a tiny bit of progress, something comes up, things get a little too personal, and all of a sudden, she's back to the snobby, judgmental Weiss we met back in Episode 2. Thankfully, she seems as though she's finally starting to warm up to her other teammates, but I know that a huge part of her still has a guard up that's probably going to take quite some time to finally break.

      I'm still waiting for Yang to show a little more of her "true self", though. I'm sure since we've already made quite some leeway with Weiss and Blake, and even a little bit with Ruby, we'll probably finally get a glimpse at Yang's past sometime in Volume 2 (or at least we can hope).

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    • I'm not so sure. Yang also seems to be hiding something (Yellow trailer), and unlike Weiss, she seems good at it. But I agree Weiss seems to have a lot of layers, and finding her true personality will be hard. As much as I wish to see it, I still hope it won't be fully revealed on Volume 2, or it would feel too rushed. I hope they'll take it slow.

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    • Yeah, I'm hoping they save the "big" reveals until at least Season 2, otherwise there will not be much room for character development in future episodes. And since I want RWBY to be as successful and on-going as RvB, I'm prefectly happy with the pace it's going right now.

      While Ruby's probably going to be the last main character to have her backstory revealed, I feel as though Yang's is going to be the most difficult to reach into.

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    • Monty said that he had 3-5 seasons of RWBY planned at least, if I remember correctly ^^

      But it might kill me to wait untill season two for some serious Weiss or Ruby backstory...

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    • That's great to know! Now I have something to look forward to for at least the next couple of years :)

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    • 5 seasons of RWBY... Is this heaven? It surely feels like it.

      I really want to learn more about the characters too, but I hope we won't learn everything. Just enough to feed our curiosity, but still not enough to feel like there is nothing more to add. But I trust the writers with this. This also leads me to wonder if Blake will have another strong storyline, as her past has been covered greatly already...

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    • Let's see... at least 3 seasons., split into 2 volumes a season, minus one volume completed, and considering that we get one volume a year... that's 5 more years of RWBY, at least! So yeah, we are in heaven, and Monty is God :D

      As for Blake... I feel like there's a lot of future content about her planned. She's the only character slotted to have a weapon upgrade (Season 3, mentioned by Monty in an interview somewhere), and the whole Adam thing, which is completely unanswered.And even then, any more revelations about her past will cause more problems with Weiss, and that drama should last a few episodes alone.

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    • He also said he already has 10 years worth of story. And he'll undoubtedly come up with more some time in the next 10 years. I mean that quote was pretty early, and we've already seen new stuff form roght in front of us, like JNPR and Velvet.

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    • Do you think Monty would ever consider turning RWBY into an actual television series (20-45min episodes) if one of the big networks picks it up in the future? It could really become the next big thing (for years counting), as it already seems to be in the world of webseries. The only downside is that if RWBY were to be picked up by a network, Monty may not have as much freedom with his ideas should that happen....

      Anyway, I'm just glad that starting Volume 2, the episodes will each be expanding to at least 15mins each. It'll give so much more room for story and character development, and I really can't wait to see where the series goes in the future.

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    • I doubt it. Yes, this is the closest RT has ever been to making it to a mainstream audience, but they are an internet company first and foremost. Of course, depending on how big they go with this all bets are off, but I don't think they would put it on TV.

      It does, however, have the potential to take Rooster Teeth to the "next level", in that I think it will lead to them being a far more widely recognized name.

      Long put short, I think RWBY could become something everyone has heard of, but I can almost certainly say it won't go to TV. At a very long stretch, Netflix, though still extremely unlikely.


      That being said, It isn't 100% out of the question someone could pick it up for a movie if it caught on enough with the mainstream.

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    • 5 more years of RWBY... Oh my. I can't find the words to express how amazing that would be.

      I also doubt they will ever put RWBY on TV. I hope it won't, at least. It would add a lot more rules/laws to the making of the series and I'm afraid it would be come less good. Like XDex, I think RT might become more 'famous', which would lead to more money and so better equipements and perhaps more workers. But no matter how good the series get, I don't think it'll ever be on TV.

      And, I'm wondering (sorry if it has already been said), will volume 2 be updated every week, just like volume 1? I mean, the episodes will be longer, so will it take more time for them to publish them?

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    • they stated that they'll have weekly episodes, and then a several week break in the middle of the volume 

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    • Plus, RT has more people working on it and won't be making trailers, and if Volume 1 is any indication, that's 4 more awesome fight scenes we're getting in the show itself.

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    • I think they said it would be twelve 12-minute episodes over the course of 15-16 weeks. Something like 4 episodes, then a break, then 4 more, etc.

      Ah, from Gray's Journal:

      "We are anticipating the web release schedule will present a full chapter per week for a few weeks, take a week off, come back for a few more weeks, etc. But during those "off" weeks, you'll still be getting new story content from the world of RWBY. More on that later... ...yeah, I know, already teasing again -- sorry. (Warning: Not really sorry)"

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    • Grimllock wrote:
      they stated that they'll have weekly episodes, and then a several week break in the middle of the volume 

      Probably an indication of how much more aware the team is of how long it takes to make a 12-minute episode and how difficult it is to remain ahead of the curve after their experience of volume 1. Notice that Gray was very equivocal about how long the break would have to be. That probably won't be decided until volume 2 is airing and Monty is able to report how far behind the optimum production schedule they are.

      @XDex,

      Hmmm... Audio dramas like the current RvB S12 Audio-Journals? It should be easy to get Miles and Kerry to write a monologue or dialogue for the VAs to record and then present as part of an school assignment played with a semi-animated graphic of a Scroll interface.

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    • Weiss said her father would always come home furious and maybe after one of those days, while he was watching her practice swords skills he was just so mad he slashed her eye.  After the trauma she improved her skills more like with the armor.When she made the wrong move and got hit, it reminded her of before. She didn't want to experience the same thing a third time that's why she fought better after the blow.

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    • I don't think he would just go right up to her and slash her for the hell of it.... That's really dark, even for RWBY. I mean, I agree with the others who believe Mr. Schnee to be somewhat abusive, or ill-tempered, or neglectful toward Weiss, but I believe he has his own "reasons" for treating her that way, rather than just going up to her and doing it because he needed something/someone to take his anger out on.... I feel he wouldn't have done something to hurt her unless she somehow "messed up". That's probably why she's such a perfectionist, because maybe she thinks that if she's perfect, her father would love her more, and start to treat her better. It's obvious her father is the biggest influence in her life, and I feel that has a lot to do with how he treated her (pretty poorly) behind closed doors. 

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    • I think the scar could be from a conflict between the two that just escalated.

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    • I'd laugh my butt off if it turned out to be something completely different from our expectations. Maybe it's a tattoo and Weiss got it as part of her 'rebel' phase.

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    • Lol, it'd definitely be something we wouldn't see coming, that's for sure....

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    • If she were to do that, I feel like it'd be something a little more... noticeable, like This. (I went through all of RWBY Volume 1 not even knowing that she had a scar, before I joined here) 

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    • Andrew S-997 wrote:
      If she were to do that, I feel like it'd be something a little more... noticeable

      Not necessarily. Just because she's rebelling, that doesn't mean she has the guts to make herself look like a member of Kiss.

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    • I love the idea of a tattoo, but it's unlikely, even though it would be a rebel act from her, I think she would still get a sort of elegant tattoo instead of just a line going through her eyes. But I get the idea, maybe it really is something special.

      A friend (who is obsessed with RT and RWBY) told me that Monty mentioned the fight with the armor was a really fight and not a metaphor, but I can't seem to find it. Does anyone know about this? Or did my friend just dream about it?

      Anyway, I still think the idea of an extremely abusive father is too cliché. Well, after Blake's little arc, we can expect more clichés I guess... But just because she said her father would come furious doesn't mean he was abusive. Lots of people have a strong temper. I know a lot of people who gets angry for sometimes no reason (expect they got off on the wrong foot) but would never harm their children, though it's always hard for a child to hear their parents screaming, even if it's not directed towards them.

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    • A lot of people claim Monty has said things. Like the good old "Monty said they're not blood-related!" thing.

      Monty hasn't said anything of the sort. The only piece of RWBY-related info I have not seen to date is the animating panel with Jordan (been meaning to watch that), and the DVD commentary. And those have been extensively scoured by others.

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    • That is why I'm doubtful of his word and am asking other people as well. It wasn't said on the DVD commentary, I watched it (though I might have missed that part, but I honestly don't think so).

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    • Just bought the DVD last night, watched both commentaries, and I don't remember anything being said about the White Trailer, other than that compared to the other trailers, which seem to be a little more cut-and-dry, there's not really much the audience can "confirm" about Weiss's character. However, in the Director's Commentary, they did say something about Weiss's upbringing factoring much into the way she portrays herself (which isn't really much of an insight, I guess), and that she is the character who has apparently grown the most throughout Volume 1.

      Not much can be said about Weiss's scar, and whether the White Trailer was, in fact, a metaphor or not, but based on that very quick shot towards the end of the trailer where we can see Weiss's reflection of herself in her eye, I think it's a lot easier to speculate that the Giant Armor is a metaphor.... I'm hoping we will get a little more insight come Volume 2, though. I'm surprised no one has asked Weiss about her scar yet, actually. There has to be at least one character who has the curiosity/balls to ask....

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    • Even if one of the characters had asked her about it, she probably isn't at a point where she would trust them with it if it is very personal. I mean the only reason she opened up about why she hates the White Fang is because Blake got her so angry that she used it as a trump card.

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    • That's true. Still, it doesn't seem completely out of character for someone to ask, and then for Weiss to make up some stupid story about it, and then we find out later on that that wasn't at all the case.... It would be an interesting ploy to get us to stop talking about it for a while, and then Monty bringing up the real cause, and us being completely mind-blown.

      (Of course, now I doubt nothing would really surprise us, but with Monty, we can never know.)

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    • Weiss: "You want to know how I got these scars?"

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    • Darkcloud1111 wrote:
      Weiss: "You want to know how I got these scars?"

      WEISS: "You know those signs on train windows that say you shouldn't lean out of them whilst the train is in motion? Well... they... ment... it!"

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    • maybes its a really big birthmark or she tripped over as a child and somehow managed to split her face open

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    • Darkcloud1111 wrote:
      Weiss: "You want to know how I got these scars?"

      Oh my goodness, I'm totally getting Heath Ledger - Joker vibes! And then.... "Weiss so serious?!"

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    • Well, I have a theory. So remember when Weiss was talking about the White Fang and her father coming home angry??? Maybe Weiss comes from an abusive home, and that's how she got the scar. It is possible that Weiss' backround would explain how she doesn't seem to want to grow close with anyone. The knight could very well be symbolism for one of her parents, forcing her to be perfect and harming Weiss in the process

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    • EmbraceTheHood wrote:
      Darkcloud1111 wrote:
      Weiss: "You want to know how I got these scars?"
      Oh my goodness, I'm totally getting Heath Ledger - Joker vibes! And then.... "Weiss so serious?!"

      You know, Joker's first story about his father would fit perfectly. I can totally imagine a crazier-than-usual Weiss going up to a member of the White Fang with a blade in her hand and telling the story, lol. "And.....*dramatic pause*...  Weiss so serious?"

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    • MattK974 wrote:
      EmbraceTheHood wrote:
      Darkcloud1111 wrote:
      Weiss: "You want to know how I got these scars?"
      Oh my goodness, I'm totally getting Heath Ledger - Joker vibes! And then.... "Weiss so serious?!"
      You know, Joker's first story about his father would fit perfectly. I can totally imagine a crazier-than-usual Weiss going up to a member of the White Fang with a blade in her hand and telling the story, lol. "And.....*dramatic pause*...  Weiss so serious?"

      Oh man, this should totally be an Easter Egg on the Volume 2 DVD! I can already hear Weiss's voice (well, Kara Eberle's) saying really creepily, "You want to know how I got this scar?" And then something like, "Let me show youuuuu." As much as I absolutely love Weiss, and want her to be forever good, I think she would make a pretty scary villain if something inside of her cracks.

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    • 76.29.239.31 wrote:
      Well, I have a theory. So remember when Weiss was talking about the White Fang and her father coming home angry??? Maybe Weiss comes from an abusive home, and that's how she got the scar. It is possible that Weiss' backround would explain how she doesn't seem to want to grow close with anyone. The knight could very well be symbolism for one of her parents, forcing her to be perfect and harming Weiss in the process


      Join the club, bro ;)

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