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Calling it now: Emerald will turn good

  • SpiritedDreaming
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    03:53, February 15, 2017

    I know it seems cliche, but as much as I enjoy the heck out of this series it does go cliche sometimes (not that I'm against this as RWBY's story always seems to keep me satisfied on whatever dramatical/ emotional level that I've come to expect) but after viewing the interaction in Vol 3's first episode, does anyone else think Emerald will warm up to the RWBY girls?

    Maybe she'll be put into a situation where she's betrayed and RWBY or JNPR or heroes at large have to come to her rescue... or maybe, team RWBY or a member thereof will be in a bad predicament, and during a moment of climactic tension, Emerald will chose to help them.

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    • Seriously hoping she stays evil, or at least sided with Cinder, because that is so cliché it hurts my veins.

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    • Please, no. If there's anyone who should turn good, it should be someone with meaningful character development.

      - Surana 

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    • Why emerald? What exactly about Emerald denotes a change of allegience more than anyone else?

      If anybody were to turn, I'd assume Roman, since he'd have legitimate reason to in that he clearly dislikes Cinder and is only working under less than favorable circumstances.

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    • Emerald is incredbly gay for Cinder and may change sides due to heartbreak at some point down the line.

      Which leads to Mercury following her (get a sibling sort of vibe from those two) and my ship becomes viable.

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    • Azurebluecyan wrote: If anybody were to turn, I'd assume Roman, since he'd have legitimate reason to in that he clearly dislikes Cinder and is only working under less than favorable circumstances.

      Exactly, he's got reason to go "me work for good guys now". 

      Reason 1: Cinder's not exactly the kind of person to inspire leadership/loyalty.

      Reason 2: Bad employment choices. Like those fools who died in Breach.

      Reason 3: Beaten by the good guys enough times to probably think that opposing them's a bad idea.

      Reason 4: Locus did it, so can he.

      - Surana 

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    • There's a lot more levels to Emerald and Mercury than what we've seen. What are they exactly? They're not the boss, they're not the slaves. They're sidekicks, but they aren't. Of course they've sided with Cinder and evil kids, but to have some character development on them really would be good. 

      On that note, I've always portrayed Emerald as a more internally conflicted person. Surely both she and Mercury have a sense of purpose? What's a pickpocket out of all people got to do with a powerful woman who can light on fire? (heh, i'd really like to see a Cinder vs Yang battle. That would be awesome)

      Anyways, maybe I'm looking too far in and Emerald and Mercury will be on the bad side forever. Who knows?

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    • she hates hates team rwby

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    • OP here


      I think Emerald vocalizing her disdain for team RWBY is more her trying to reassure herself that she hates them as doubt settles in. I know personally, I would like to know more about Emerald and Mercury just because it seems they get screen time but not much backstory or motivation. We know they serve Cinder, that's it. We know Roman and Cinder don't get along. plenty of circumstances in other media and real life when someone who is forced to go undercover, ends up sympathizing (or empathizing? I always mix them up) with the people they're supposed to be enemies with.

      Right now Emerald doesn't have motivations to turn good and without knowing what motivates her to be evil, guessing at what would cause her to switch sides is just guessing. However, I think her interaction with RWBY will beging to change her character. Mercury, not so much.


      I think the antagonists could stand some developement, especially the ones closest to the heroes. I'm ok with Cinder remaining mostly a mystery as she still seems to be pulling the majority of the strings, but I'd love to know what is making the others tick.


      The only other antagonist who strikes me to be on a similar level of evil as Cinder is Neo, but I suppose this is fueled mostly by mystery as she hasn't yet spoken. And in no way do I think Neo is as cunning as Cinder, Neo is just merciless as has been shown when she almost killed Yang and her stomping a downed opponent in the Vytal games.

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    • 69.136.247.156 wrote:

      Right now Emerald doesn't have motivations to turn good and without knowing what motivates her to be evil, guessing at what would cause her to switch sides is just guessing. However, I think her interaction with RWBY will beging to change her character. Mercury, not so much.

      For one, there's the implication that she's looking for acknowledgement from Cinder.

      If Cinder crosses a certain line that Em would not dare cross, that's where her potential to turn good comes in.

      For now, just keep this theory at the back of your head.

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    • Mm yeah. I really hope the villains get some more character development. It'd really be nice to see the back stories and how they all ended up together...

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    • I agree with Maki, I have entertained this kind of theory since almost day one when it comes to Emerald, but at this point it seems like a bad way for RT to go storywise. I doubt it could happen unless/until Cinder "falls"(pun intended), but that would take something worse than murder, and she would need a reason to be OK with Mercury murdering people.

      Mercury is Sociopathic and I doubt he would turn, even for Emerald

      It really all depends on if Cinder is out to burn the world or just someone else's freedom fighter/secret agent.

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    • My stance on this is, I either want her to stay evil or go neutral. I agree that the whole, Former villain becomes a good guy because of certain circumstances is way too cliché and over done. But if she did defect from Cinder, make her go her own path. No alliance with anyone, just do her own thing. Mercury... I'm not really sure about him. On one hand he could go with Emerald and they do their own work together, on another hand he stays with Cinder and fights for the thrill of murder. Either way, I just want Emerald to stay Neutral if she left Cinder or continue to be a villain and threat to Team RWBY.

      For Roman however, I feel that he could be The Penguin to Team RWBY's Batman. Now, Junior could probably be seen as already fufilling that role, but I personally believe that Roman could be a better asset for relaying information to the team. He wouldn't be a good guy per say, but if the team needed any info on Cinder or someone that is going around causing some trouble, then he would be their man. Plus, if it meant no longer having to fight the four girls, that could be a great relief.

      So yeah that's my little two cents on this topic.

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    • FWIW, I can see the situation where the whole of Team MENC is betrayed by Cinder's ultimate sponsor and employer (it turns out she was as expendable as Roman was) and they end up fighting back-to-back with our heroes against the hordes of the Dark.

      However... Yeah, of all the villain team, I think that Cinder is most likely to die in a high-SFX finalé and for Neo and Mercury to suffer the same fate of many a Elite Mook through the ages. Roman and Emerald though...?

      I can see Roman making his escape into the underworld (where he still has contacts and can start his criminal organisation again from scratch). He finds Emerald waiting for him. She gives him back 'his wallet' (which isn't his at all). "Kid... I think that this is the start of a beautiful friendship!"

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    • Oliver Twist allusion asside, that would be a pretty funny conclusion for those two, I kinda like it.

      To be honest, the only reason I think Emerald switching sides is worth considering for any length of time is exactly why she said she hated RWBY; she doesn't get why they're always happy.

      Which leads to two things. Firstly, it implies that happiness is not a normal state for her; which in turn implies that she might switch sides if she found herself genuinely enjoying the good side after a while.

      Secondly, her reasons for hating them aren't actually valid, because unbeknownst to her team RWBY as a whole is very definately NOT always happy. Blake's constant fears about what the WF might do, for instance, Weiss's currently unclear issues with her family, and to a much lesser extent Yang and Ruby's mothers are all things that she does not know about that might force her to reassess her opinion of the team. Showing her their hidden depths could trigger character development that might eventually lead to her switching sides. However, it would take quite a while to pull off, and also some reason for them to share their problems with each other.

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    • 13th madman wrote:
      Oliver Twist allusion asside...

      Just think about it: This is RWBY; allusions to fairy tales and the like is tied into its entire mythic structure. For characters to have arc conclusions straight out of classic literature actually makes sense!

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    • Still wishing we're all wrong and Emerald doesn't abandon Cinder or even think about it.

      Or at the most, that she at least begins her path to Goodyness after the heroes win.

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    • Mercury is definitely NOT a sociopath. Sociopaths are unable to form meaningfull connections and honestly don't ccare about anything other than themselves (although most of them are super good at faking it) It;s the minor detals that can be used to tell.

      The biggest thing is, he does legitimately seem to care for Em in some way, seemingly in a best friend sense based on their banter, which is something a sociopath is quite simply incapable of.

      Second is that sociopaths... Not so good at the following orders thing, and Mercury has thus far been a follower, he is not manipulative enough.

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    • Phantomlink959 wrote: Mercury is definitely NOT a sociopath. Sociopaths are unable to form meaningfull connections and honestly don't ccare about anything other than themselves (although most of them are super good at faking it) It;s the minor detals that can be used to tell.

      The biggest thing is, he does legitimately seem to care for Em in some way, seemingly in a best friend sense based on their banter, which is something a sociopath is quite simply incapable of.

      Second is that sociopaths... Not so good at the following orders thing, and Mercury has thus far been a follower, he is not manipulative enough.

      Sociopaths exist on a scale, most Sociopaths can easily follow orders, they are intelligent and can understand how things are done, you just cannot expect them to adhere to social concepts like loyalty, or empathy.

      He has shown no love for Emerald at all, banter is banter, the only thing going for him in that regard is that he hasn't killed her, and she is quite useful, so it would make no sense for him to do so.

      Mercury has no problem killing someone and shows no remorse or empathy about straight up murdering someone, and he also shows little to no actual loyalty to Cinder(as opposed to Emerald) other than acknowledging she gave him a job, and he completed it.

      Mercury is definitely on the scale, I would argue farther along it than you recognize, but even by your definition he is still on the scale.

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    • The thing is, murder or no, sociopaths are not the only people who will kill without remorse. It's impossible to say much about him without backstory, but I can think of one other disorder that might be a better fit.

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    • Bear in mind things like that aren't always portrayed accurately in fiction, especially if the writers don't have a real idea of what makes X an X beyond the things most people think. And I doubt RT has some in-house profesional psychologist specialized in the subject.

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    • I definitely get the impression that Emerald acts disgusted by team RWBY as a defense mechanism, because she's jealous of them for always being happy.

      Think about it. Her saying that means that she isn't happy. She comes across a street rat who got accepted into Cinder's little club and thinks it means she has to owe Cinder her undying loyalty. That's good setup for her eventually realizing that she doesn't owe Cinder anything and is better off on the other side.

      They don't have to do it that way...but they could!

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    • I'd rather they didn't!

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    • TheRozenQueen wrote:
      Bear in mind things like that aren't always portrayed accurately in fiction, especially if the writers don't have a real idea of what makes X an X beyond the things most people think. And I doubt RT has some in-house profesional psychologist specialized in the subject.

      Although they do have ONE clearly sociopathic character under their belt: Felix.

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    • 70.113.87.148 wrote:That's good setup for her eventually realizing that she doesn't owe Cinder anything and is better off on the other side.

      It's quite possible that Emerald will realise this when Cinder idly tosses her into the metaphorical meat grinder with barely a twitch of an eyebrow. "Didn't I tell you? I'm a bad lady! I hurt people!"

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    • I find hilarious how many seem to think that just because Mercury was the one that gave Tukson the finishing blow he's a sociopath and Em a poor victim or something.

      Both are the exact same.

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    • Not quite. But considering Mercury the more violent of the pair is canonically-based. Need I remind you of the first book they asked him about? That's clear characterization, right there.

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    • Urano23 wrote: I find hilarious how many seem to think that just because Mercury was the one that gave Tukson the finishing blow he's a sociopath and Em a poor victim or something.

      Both are the exact same.

      It's not because of the blow, it's because if you pay attention he gives no shits what Cinder wants... unlike Emerald, who looks physically hurt from Cinder's dissatisfaction. This implies he does not kill out of loyalty, but out of self satisfaction, whereas Emerald kills out of an attempt to prove herself.

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    • Not really, that could just be him being less expressive. He could be extremely loyal to Cinder but he has a more laid-back attitude. 

      Emerald is as willing to kill as Mercury is. Hell, she's been shown robbing for no real reason or necessity. It's just that their personalities might make it look like Mercury is more apathetic than she is, doesn't mean she's any different from him at the core.

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    • Look at the damn book title, which was clear characterization of the two: The Thief and the Butcher. One is obviously far more violent than the other.

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    • It could just allude to the fact that in that very first episode, those are the roles each took. Emerald was the thief and Mercury the killer. At least I wouldn't use just that to determine what their personalities are. Mercury hasn't been shown as more violent than Emerald.

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    • Yes he has. He's murdered someone.

      Emerald has consistently taken the role of pickpocket. We've not seen Mercury similarly kill, but that's just a lack of opportunity.

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    • Emerald went there to kill Tukson, not to pickpocket him. I could agree with that if she had made a comment to Mercury saying that he overdid it and that they didn't need to kill Tukson, but she didn't. She looked perfectly calm and happy with having her job done.

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    • I'm holding out judgement on this for backstory because I think he might be a candidate for BPD

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    • Urano23 wrote: Emerald went there to kill Tukson, not to pickpocket him. I could agree with that if she had made a comment to Mercury saying that he overdid it and that they didn't need to kill Tukson, but she didn't. She looked perfectly calm and happy with having her job done.

      but she went there to kill him because he was a loose end... Mercury only went there to kill... he didn't care in particular that he had to, he just used the excuse, neither was ordered to do so but Emerald went to impress Cinder because of her relationship with Cinder, and that she knew Cinder wanted him dead, but Mercury didn't care why, only that killing him was something to do.

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    • 73.Anon.52 wrote:

      Urano23 wrote: Emerald went there to kill Tukson, not to pickpocket him. I could agree with that if she had made a comment to Mercury saying that he overdid it and that they didn't need to kill Tukson, but she didn't. She looked perfectly calm and happy with having her job done.

      but she went there to kill him because he was a loose end... Mercury only went there to kill... he didn't care in particular that he had to, he just used the excuse, neither was ordered to do so but Emerald went to impress Cinder because of her relationship with Cinder, and that she knew Cinder wanted him dead, but Mercury didn't care why, only that killing him was something to do.

      Unless he went with Em so she wouldn't have to get her hands dirty. It's possible that he has killed before, not because he enjoys it but just by circumstance, and as such having to kill someone again isn't as harmful psychologically. The damage has already been done.

      Emerald may still be innocent of human bloodshed.

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    • 73.Anon.52 wrote:

      Urano23 wrote: Emerald went there to kill Tukson, not to pickpocket him. I could agree with that if she had made a comment to Mercury saying that he overdid it and that they didn't need to kill Tukson, but she didn't. She looked perfectly calm and happy with having her job done.

      but she went there to kill him because he was a loose end... Mercury only went there to kill... he didn't care in particular that he had to, he just used the excuse, neither was ordered to do so but Emerald went to impress Cinder because of her relationship with Cinder, and that she knew Cinder wanted him dead, but Mercury didn't care why, only that killing him was something to do.

      You can't expressly prove that. We never get Mercury's perspective on it. Only Emerald's. Like he didn't say "Yeah I only tagged along cause I could." Emerald took the lead and expressed the reason they did it, you can definitively attribute that to emerald, but you can't definitively not attribute it to Mercury as well, cause there's nothing in any scene that suggests he wasn't doing it because he assumed that's what Cinder wanted.

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    • I have no doubt that Emerald and Mercury have both committed cold-blooded murder in Cinder's service. The difference between them is that Emerald did it because Cinder is a saviour as well as a mentor/older sister figure and Emerald would do anything for her. Mercury quite possibly just did it because he enjoys killing people.

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    • Pretty sure Emerald is gay for Cinder, actually.

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    • Or she's incredibly loyal.

      Not every relationship has to revolve around an underlining desire to get in someone's pants.

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    • Yeah, but every show needs at least one of them.

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    • Phantomlink959 wrote: Pretty sure Emerald is gay for Cinder, actually.

      I think she see's her more as her mother... but if they are copying the anime outlook that almost always equates to "gay for" in anime anyways.

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    • There are a couple blink and you'll miss it moments with Emerald, like when Cinder asks to cut in during the dance and goes to dance with Mercury, a look of endless dissapointment crosses her face.

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    • That could just as easily be attributed to your boss cutting in on your dance with the guy you like Phantom. It doesn't necessarily mean she was disappointed Cinder didn't dance with her, it could mean she was disappointed she didn't get to keep dancing with Mercury.

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    • SpiritedDreaming wrote:That could just as easily be attributed to your boss cutting in on your dance with the guy you like

      Most people would be sour if something like that happened. Imagine, you're dancing with the person of your dreams, "your" song is playing, everything is perfect, and then some prick who happens to decide whether you get paid or not cuts in and takes your partner away from you. 

      - Surana 

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    • SpiritedDreaming wrote:
      That could just as easily be attributed to your boss cutting in on your dance with the guy you like Phantom. It doesn't necessarily mean she was disappointed Cinder didn't dance with her, it could mean she was disappointed she didn't get to keep dancing with Mercury.

      She was excited when Cinder asked to cut in, and dissapointed when she went to dance with Mercury.

      She was also VERY excited to see Cinder after they disposed of Tukson.

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    • And I'm pretty sure we've established that she wants to please Cinder, but that dosn't necessarily mean she wants to be in a romantic relationship with her. I want to please my boss and do things I think would help out at work, but that doesn't mean I want a relationship with them.

      Also, you have to consider what Cinder is offering Emerald; why is she following her? Whatever it is, it's obviously something Emerald wants. Seeing Cinder come back from the mission, and the satisfied mood Cinder was in, means whatever it is Emerald gets out of this whole ordeal is one step closer. She could have been excited because the plan was moving along, and her end goal was getting closer. She could feel it.

      Or she could be excited that she is finally getting to dance with Mercury - it's not like we see them much before that scene to see them dancing, and Emerald is just like 'Meh. Whatever'.

      And then Cinder cut in on her dance, nulling her mood. She wanted to dance with Mercury, in celebration that what she is getting from is one major step closer to her, and then Cinder denied her that. Of course she's going to be disappointed.

      I'm not saying it's impossible for Emerald to be the LGBT character, or that she wants Cinder for her body (though honestly, I doubt it. I feel like Emerald worships Cinder too much to actually consider a relationship with her), but I am saying there are perfectly plausible reasons other than lurrve for Emerald to be excited about Cinder's appearence, and then Cinder cutting in to dance with Mercury instead of her being her cause for disappointment.

      After all, Cinder and Mercury are her only 'friends', and they just had a triumphant moment for the plan. With Mercury and Cinder off dancing, Emerald has no one she actually likes to talk to, which means she has to either be antisocial or talk to the 'enemy', which means she can't show her excitement over the plan going ahead until they get to their dorm.

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    • I don't see any dissapointment or any reaction whatsoever to Cinder asking to dance, beyond "yes maam" potentially having a meaningful tone to it. However, I definately see the moment in Ep 1 where she nearly tried to hug Cinder, and her subsequent reaction to being ignored. So I can't really agree with any of the last few posts, but that one seems entirely wrong..

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    • Roman called Emerald a street rat in the very first scene we see them interact with each other. I instintently thought of Selena Kyle, aka Catwoman, in the Dark Knight Rises, a character who turned into a criminal because it seemed like the only way for them to survive. Such character are often abandoned/orphaned and alone at young age. Such kids are often easy for gangs, cults, and even terrorist in some cases to be very loyal followers.

      Emeralds loyalty to cinder who she idolizes (either with or without romantic feelings), and her annoyance and inability to understand how rwby can be so happy all the time, lead me to believe she is such a case. She was a misguided and lost soul who Cinder found and has molded into a loyal pawn (may even be the meaning behind queen has pawns). I'm curious what kind of character Emerald would turn into if she didn't have Cinder.

      All that aside I can easily see Mercury, Cinder, Emerald, and Neo (whose relationship with Roman could be similar to Emerald's and Cinder' for all we know) continue their roles as villians or may even end up being anti-hero characters. We still don't knows what their true plans are or their reasons for doing whatever it is they are doing. I got to say though that I never really got people who said they loved colorful villians until rooster teeth made some awesome ones for rwby. Seriously Roman, Cinder, Adam, Mercury, Emerald, and Neo are all awesome villians!

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    • I find Emerald ew, so if she turns good, we'll prob see more of her, which is ew

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    • That was one of the most childish comments I have read in a long time.  Please refrain from using "ew" as an adjective. 

      That aside, what do you dislike about her?  Why do you want to see less of her?  How can you be sure you dislike her without seeing more of her?  (Seriously, she's hardly had any screentime yet.)

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    • She feels rather meh to me too. Not something I'm going to hate as hell, but....she's meh. She just lacks something.

      Cinder can at least look cool, Roman is Roman, Neo is Neo, and Mercury has the personality. Emerald just....lacks something.

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    • She has only casually pickpocketed people 3 times?

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    • TheRozenQueen wrote: She feels rather meh to be too. Not something I'm going to hate as hell, but....she's meh. She just lacks something.

      Cinder can at least look cool, Roman is Roman, Neo is Neo, and Mercury has the personality. Emerald just....lacks something.

      on that I agree with you, she tends to lack consistent characterization... I mean sure she steals stuff, but the rest of her traits are all over the place. She seems to be her own teams eternal optimist, yet finds all of RWBY too cheerful? Has she really met them? Ruby's almost always cheerful and Yang puts up a happy face, but Blake was moody as hell and her only "cheerful" scenes seem to be when thinking/talking about Sun... and then there is Weiss... who can be brought into the groups cheer but is normally a sourpuss.

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    • Oh dear, I'm sorry, I find Emerald BORING, and if she turns good, that means we'll probably see more of her, and I don't particularly want to see more of a boring character.

      There, is that better?

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    • Yes, because it used less ambiguous wording.

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    • Yes, that is much better - thank you.

      I would argue, however, that we have not really seen her character that much beyond her sarcastically acting as "her own teams eternal optimist" (nods to 73.Anon).  All I have seen of her is a lack of concern for life, sarcasm, and pickpocketing skill - it's not really enough to tell if she's boring or not.  Recall how little character building we've seen from Ruby, the main character of the show.  I think it's too soon to decide much about Emerald yet.  Compared to shows with 30m to 1hr long episodes, all of the characters in RWBY are a little boring.  They haven't had the time to flesh them out.

      That's just my thought on it, though.

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    • Somehow this got me thinking, people have suggested things like audio drama or extra WoR videos to flesh out RWBY, but...

      What if RT had na official fanfiction account and used to put out world background, or even just via journals on their website.

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    • Website journals would be a much better way of doing it.  FanFiction is just that - fiction by the fans, that is fictional even in the canon world - and should remain so.  :)

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    • JayHart wrote:
      That was one of the most childish comments I have read in a long time.  Please refrain from using "ew" as an adjective. 

      That aside, what do you dislike about her?  Why do you want to see less of her?  How can you be sure you dislike her without seeing more of her?  (Seriously, she's hardly had any screentime yet.)

      Dude chill the heck out XD

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    • Is chill a thing he isn't being most of the time, or am i just too tired to recogize sarcasm?

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    • (shrug)  I have no idea.  I was not particularly heated at the time, either.  I only italicized one word, after all.  =P

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    • I think people aren't quite putting together what has been seen of Emerald's character. I see quite a lot of depth here that's implied by her actions.

      Her banter with Mercury and some of her interactions with Cinder are the only times we've seen her look anything resembling happy and not actually be faking it. The rest of the time she seems quite business like and serious, except when she's putting on a front to handle RWBY or some other bystanders. Also, she's a pickpocket who grew up on the streets, or is implied to be. It's safe to assume her past didn't leave her with much to be happy about, and for all that she maintains a front of optimism at times, it seems clear to me that she doesn't really feel it. And her attachment to Cinder that never seems to be reciprocated suggests a degree of isolation. In many ways she's the same kind of character as Weiss, but from a completely different background; harsh, lonely upbringing, but on the streets instead of the upper class of society. I could probably fill another paragraph speculation about possible interaction between those two if they ever talked honestly.

      As for whether she's really met team RWBY, the answer is a fairly obvious "No, of course she hasn't". She doesn't understand how they can always be so happy when she herself can't even manage that much cheer on a good day. And what she's missing is that happy isn't a default state for team RWBY either, especially not for Blake and Weiss. She doesn't realise this because she never sees them at times when they're dealing with their troubles.

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    • I don't think it's about RWBY being 'happy,' so much as overly perky and thus, annoying. I have many people I work with that would fit into this category. They're not perpetually happy, but they do have that chipper personality that's rage inducing.

      Coworker: HI HOW ARE YOU HOW WAS YOUR WEEKEND DID YOU HAVE FUN DID YOU DO ANYTHING?

      Me: I will kill you in your sleep.

      =

      I would rather Emerald continue to be on team bad guys, just because she's not a cookie cutter villain. I think she's going to add some much needed grey to the show's B&W landscape.  

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    • I don't think she's going to turn "good", but at some point Cinder's plan is going to get too evil for her and she'll say "Screw this. I'm out of here." Mercury may or may not join her, but either way she's off team evil but still not on team good.

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    • 73.Anon.52 wrote:
      I agree with Maki, I have entertained this kind of theory since almost day one when it comes to Emerald, but at this point it seems like a bad way for RT to go storywise. I doubt it could happen unless/until Cinder "falls"(pun intended), but that would take something worse than murder, and she would need a reason to be OK with Mercury murdering people.

      Mercury is Sociopathic and I doubt he would turn, even for Emerald

      It really all depends on if Cinder is out to burn the world or just someone else's freedom fighter/secret agent.

      Cinder is definitely a sociopath. Not so sure about Mercury though.

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    • Also, Ruby's blushing giggling at Em.

      ...?

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    • Noo! I *like* Emerald as a bad girl. Her habit of playing with her victims also sort of precludes her turning "good". She's pretty nasty. Mind you, if the situation warrants it, then she'll join forces with Team Good Guys in a heartbeat. Perhaps if it becomes clear that the Big Bad is going to blow up the entire world and herald in a new era of darkness. But even then, I don't see her settling down with (spins Wheel of Ships...) Ozpin. The best she can expect is an "I won't kill you now. Get out of here and don't let me see you again."

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    • I was under the impression that Emerald was a gender-swapped Aladdin - a "diamond in the rough". Notice her emerald symbol is cut like a diamond (FYI - most emeralds are square cut). 

      Assuming that she is based on Aladdin, it would stand to reason that she's flippable to the good guys; or at the very least, willing to depart from Team Evil at some point and go her own way. 

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    • She is Aladdin, though her aesthetics take a bit from Cleopatra iirc.

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    • DeletedContent wrote: Cinder is definitely a sociopath. Not so sure about Mercury though.

      If it helps you decide, he did kill a guy in cold blood and then joke about it afterwards.

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    • There are a lot of other conditions which can cause that behaviour.

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    • Well Mercury probably has ADD/ADHD (won't go into it TOO much because of wiki rules), but that just causes the inability to focus, impatient tendencies, and hyperactiveness (the last from ADHD only). However, that (rather obviously) wouldn't cause that sociopath-like nature. Maybe Cinder somehow brainwashed them or something like that from an early age, molding them both into killers. I'd especially see that with Emerald, as Mercury just seems to be in it for the thrills, and maybe some more earthly rewards (namely money, as he doesn't seem like a very power-hungry guy). 

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    • He gets bored easily, big deal. A lot of people do, but he shows none of the other tendencies of ADD/ADHD. He focuses quite well, and is not even remotely close to hyperactive.

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    • Touche, but back to the point: is he a sociopath, or just an unwitting pawn of Cinder (like Emerald is). I'm personally guessing somewhere in between.

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    • My money is actually on Borderline Personality Disorder, but waiting on key details before finalizing that guess.

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    • People don't need formal psychiatric diagnoses to be bad. It's possible that Mercury just has that generalised fluffy-edged sort of psychotic personality that enables him to kill without remorse.

      Now Emerald has a personal emotional connection with Cinder. Whether or not it's mutual is anyone's guess (I'd say 'no' - I'd go as far as to say that Cinder may not be psychologically capable of feeling genuine affection).

      Both Merc and Emmy both seem to be 'street trash' characters (a thief and a thug) who Cinder or someone else has trained up to Huntsman level to act as soldiers or even lieutenants.

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    • Mind you, they could have recieved hunter training, as Qrow introduced the idea of "Less than Reputable Hunters".

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    • I haven't had the chance to read through the entire thread, so forgive me if I'm repeating things, but as far as character design goes, Emerald LOOKS innocent. And given the fact that we know nothing about her or Mercury's past, it's plausible she could defect. I agree with the op - rwby can be a bit predictable - and Emerald turning good? Pretty predictable.

      Now for spoilers on Episode 6: you've been warned. Cinder keeps things on a need-to-know basis, making it very easy to believe that Mercury attacking Yang was a delusion of Yang's alone. Cinder would be breaking Mercury's leg without his consent to the plan - what better way to have them both realize they're just pawns to Cinder? 

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    • I really, really doubt Mercury and Emerald weren't in on the plan.

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    • I doubt breaking Mercury's leg was the initial plan. But he clearly knew his role to play when it happened and had no problem doing so. Also, on topic, the illusion was most likely Emerald's own semblance, which kinda does not help her odds if she tries for redemption.

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    • if you look at when mercury is recording the destruction when emerald says itsa lmost said youc an see genuine remorse andre gretf or what they've done into when cinder leaves emerald is truly disheartened

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    • Lol I know it's a old threat, but I'm gonna comment on the so-called "Cliche". You can't stop cliches. If you choose a movie with cliches, it be every single movie there is. Because you MUST use them, or the movie/novel/show would have no meaning or action.

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    • Can whoever is about to talk about necroing hold off for a bit while we point out that neither Emerald nor Mercury are looking particularly happy with their current situation. Seems they're both starting to see things they aren't happy with.

      Em, in particular, looked utterly horrified by the grim lands, and is fairly obviously terrified of Salem. Personally, I suspect it's only being needed by Cinder that's keeping her around at this point.

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    • We've seen it before, but just in Volume 4 Episode 3 alone, it seemed a lot like Emerald and Mercury had a look of "this isn't what we thought we were getting into". They both seem worried (and understandably creeped out at the tentacle thing.)

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    • Katt1848 wrote:
      We've seen it before, but just in Volume 4 Episode 3 alone, it seemed a lot like Emerald and Mercury had a look of "this isn't what we thought we were getting into". They both seem worried (and understandably creeped out at the tentacle thing.)

      Doesn't matter if she's going to turn good. She's past the point of no return.

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    • how iredeemable the audience believes a character to be has no baring on how far they'll go to try it. And worse people than her have been forgiven before.

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    • Darth Vader for one, he killed those younglings, murdered other Jedi, was involved in the subjugation of an entire galaxy, helped build a planet destroying weapon and stood by when a planet full of pacifists was destroyed, but he killed one old guy who had given him nothing but shit for twenty years and suddenly he's a good guy again

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    • ACWeapons wrote:
      Katt1848 wrote:
      We've seen it before, but just in Volume 4 Episode 3 alone, it seemed a lot like Emerald and Mercury had a look of "this isn't what we thought we were getting into". They both seem worried (and understandably creeped out at the tentacle thing.)
      Doesn't matter if she's going to turn good. She's past the point of no return.


      I don't know, she could pull a Zuko.

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    • If they're cliche as normal, then someone in Salem's faction will murder Mercury in fornt of her, and despite her feelings for Cinder, she'll make her escape to the good side. After that, she'll spend awhile trying to convince the others Cinder is misguided, only for Cinder to crush her dreams by calling her a traitor, and ordering someone else to kill her. Then Emerald will grow a spine and help actually beat Cinder, only for Cinder to confess something about how she saw Emerald as the daughter she never had as she is dying. And of course that will make Emerald sink back into depression, of which only team RNJR/RWBY can get her out of.

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    • Necroposting.

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    • BenRG wrote:
      70.113.87.148 wrote:That's good setup for her eventually realizing that she doesn't owe Cinder anything and is better off on the other side.
      It's quite possible that Emerald will realise this when Cinder idly tosses her into the metaphorical meat grinder with barely a twitch of an eyebrow. "Didn't I tell you? I'm a bad lady! I hurt people!"

      Uhhh nevermind

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    • Any thread older than 3 months is dead. Can someone please close this thing?

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    • i would rather watch Yang beat Emerald's face in for what she did!

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