It's pretty much bare-bones Medieval High Fantasy stuff. Not so bad in it's beginning, where at least the market wasn't filled with other bare-bones Medieval High Fantasy stuff.
Now, there are 2 problems:
1) There are many Medieval High Fantasy works.
And 2) A good number of them try some things to feel less generic. For an specific example, Dragon Age has elements of Low Fantasy and Dark Fantasy, for example (and of course, decent writing in Origins), so while it's nothing new, it doesn't feel bare-bones and generic.
In a more general sense: Some otherwise-Generic Medieval High Fantasy works have a more Cosmic Horror feel. Some have factions/races/elements present that aren't exactly common in such works. Others add elements of other genres (sci-fy, steampunk...), or even other media (anime). Or maybe only share the genre but are pretty unique besides that aspect.
...Granted, it depends on the exact campaign. Some campaigns are more interesting and creative, if not unique, than others (Dragon Age, like many Bioware fantasy games, was based on a DnD campaign, for starters). I'm speaking more on a very general sense for the most part.
And I'm just talking about the tropes and feel. Gameplay-wise, if we can call it that, it depends on how the session goes. I've heard things can go off-the-rails quite often.
DnD is tons of fun. You know what the best part about DnD is? Playing it your way.
My family doesn't play the premade campaigns, we either make our own or just go adventuring for the hell of it and see where we end up. We've killed gods, done somersaults off the noses of dragons, conquered entire kingdoms with our undead armies, and it's just pure fun.
It's enjoyable to leave your character's life to the roll of a dice. The excitement when you confirm that critical hit (x3 damage on war axes, woo! Barbarians doing 100DMG at level 10 easily with the right spell buffs), the feeling when you failed that crucial Fort save and your party has to race to save you.
DnD is only generic if you let it be generic and refuse to try anything new. If you stick by the scripted story of the mass produced campaigns that are released in the Dragon Magazine, and never go off the rails and explore somewhere else. If you make the same character over and over again, and never try a new class or build.
For someone who never played it, you seem to have quite the opinion on DnD, Someone. And I wonder how valuable that opinion actually is when you admitted yourself, you haven't played it. I'm guessing not very.
It's a short story: So I wondered if Shadow at Morning (an old user who hasn't appeared for a year) was doing anything these days, once I remembered he existed.
I checked his profile page to see what Wikias he frequented. It showed absolutely none. Just to be sure it wasn't by design like that, I checked my own, and found it did show the frequented wikias for me. And just to be sure for sure, I checked Chish's, and I saw it there.
She has 0 edits of any sort there, which makes me wonder why it's listed among her Frequent Wikias.
@Phantom: His conversations with Live were interesting for me, sometimes. Both felt like smartasses, but one felt "maturer-than-thou" while the other felt "I hate everything". Yet they found some equal ground.
....Of course, there's also his ditching of NEO, which is more outstanding for me.
She's absolutely right about Argentina's accent. But on top of that, Argentinians talk like gattling guns. So fast, and with a vocabulary too similar to Spain's, that I just cannot understand what they're saying most of the time.
As for Venezuela, she's right and wrong. Some do sound like that, but we have a variety of accents ourselves. One thing she forgot though is that we love:
1-Replacing every R with an L or vice versa as if we were drunk japanese. How much varies by region, though some just can't say things like "Profesor" or "Por Que", they have to say "Profesol" or "Polque".
2-Skipping letters, syllables or excising out sections of words to unnecesarily shorten them. "Para Adelante" > "Pa'lante", for example. Or "Ingle" instead of Ingles.
Also Maracuchos are incapable of speaking without screaming. It feels almost pathological.
1-Well, no one here has ever confused Venezuela with Minnesota, so......
2-Yes, we curse a damn lot. Yes, we are pretty artistic with it. Yes, Vaina is the most versatile thing in the word.
3-Yes, What'sapp is too used. Overused. You know how it feels to receive more than 30 WA messages every 3 minutes that are nothing but goddamn spam about overpriced food, whining, and generic "feel-good" and "God is Awesome" messages?
In the past, it used to be Blackberry Messenger, because everyone had it. Now it's What's app. Nothing has changed.
4-FUCKING YES WE DO. Someone got shot? Can't buy food? Crime is over the roof? All commented as casually as if we were talking about the weather.
5-Unless you're like me and act like a street cat to everyone you meet, yes, we speak friendly to strangers more often than not.
6-HA! But yeah, they are sacred. Especially now that they are harder to make and most people have to resort to the ever-practical Arepa.
Now, there are other kinds of tequeños that are bigger and crunchier, but those are not sacred, they don't even compare.
7-Yeeeeaaaaah......it depends, actually. You see, he was severely hated because he was blamed for everything (not always his fault, though some things indeed were). BUT, the Chavistas cover at least 1/3 of the entire population, or at least they did half a decade ago. And even today they are in a fair amount.
So most people talk shit of him as if he was the Devil himself, but the contrary is still very common.
By the way, I heard some people died in some student protests over in Venezuela?
I heard about some protests, but not about people dying (not that I paid much attention to the conversations though). But given what has been going on recently, it doesn't surprise me.
What I mean by that is that multiple, young, people have been found carrying weapons. And I do not mean handguns. Kids below 16 years old have been found in possession of rifles, and have even killed some people with them.
I also heard that the government was going to forcefully recruit them into the FANB if they found anyone under 18 past 6 or 7pm and/or showing "suspicious behavior". Not sure if they actually went through with it however, I don't go out late and I don't do such things.
So, given students can easily find guns, apparently, people dying during a student protest doesn't sound too strange. Some hormone-addled moron going crazy, or a bunch of hormone-addled morons thinking that they no one will do anything if they suddenly remove the PACIFIC part of "pacific protest", isn't hard to believe. The government allows protests, but not riots.
I haven't heard of bakers getting arrested, at least not recently. At least in the city I live no bakeries have closed and no bakers that I know of have been arrested.
As for "somehow contributing" to the wheat shortage.............honestly, it's not unbelievable. But it depends on the specifics.
Now, what I did hear recently was that apparently the government bought about 90.000 phones. The idea is to give them to the people. The intention is so that the people who can't afford phones will be able to use at least a simple phone for communication. In practice, they're all gonna be sold and resold.
As for my family, well, recently we were forced to eat arepas (look it up) with...basically nothing. Because we had nothing to fill them or add to them. No cheese, no butter, nothing. At most, "tomato paste"...and that thing is tasteless.
Well, my dad improvised and made empanadas (look it up) with cambur (banana) yesterday. Not excellent, but better than I expected.
But, today my parents, or at least my mother, had their cestaticket recharged, so we were able to buy a good deal of stuff. Mainly milk, ketchup, mustard, mayo, oil for cooking, some flour, and 1 soap, along with 660gr of cheese, and a bit of canned tuna for my cats.
We're still low on soap, and shampoo, and food for the animals, but at least for now we can hold on.
there's only been like 4 arrests based on the news reports i've found, apparently they were making too many pastries and not enough normal bread.
Ah, so basically like corn meal cakes. yeah... i can imagine that would be pretty damned bland without anything in in it; and tomato paste is literally only useful as an ingredient in making more complex things.
Well, that's some good news at least. you'll be able to marginally enjoy food for a little while and stave off malnutrition awhile.
Phantomlink959 wrote: 1-there's only been like 4 arrests based on the news reports i've found, apparently they were making too many pastries and not enough normal bread.
2-Ah, so basically like corn meal cakes. yeah... i can imagine that would be pretty damned bland without anything in in it;
1-...That's nearly all bakeries. That said, it's good they were arrested then. Breads are supposed to be cheap and accessible, especially nowadays. Bakeries that can make many breads, but don't because they prefer making more expensive things to get more cash (and then blame the government and say they don't have the flour to make bread), there's too many of them.
Granted, some bakeries are more known for their pastries and stuff than for their bread, so said pastries are basically their selling point.
2-I wouldn't say they're like cornmeal cakes. For starters, they're cheaper and easier to make. They're more like johnnycakes.
ThatOneGuyFromNISLTsCommentSection wrote: Figured it wouldn't be that simple....
I'm an idiot lmfao.
EDIT: Venezuela actually has a higher standard of living than Brazil
I'm more of an idiot than I first thought lmao
lol;... I was thinking that right before I saw your edit; that Brazil wouldn't be an upgrade, sidegrade at best... it has plenty of nice selling points, but they aren't exactly known for being a great place for rising from poverty, they just are known more for Carnival.
ThatOneGuyFromNISLTsCommentSection wrote: Can't you move to some place that's less....fucked up?
Isn't Brazil just south of the border?
(oh wait, you probably dont speak portugese. :I ignore plox)
Besides that, there's the fact that just taking a bus to another city in the same state is expensive, let alone taking a plane to another country. In fact, it's more expensive to travel out of Venezuela than to travel into it.
And my family is not rich. And I haven't even finished my college studies to begin with, and moving away would just complicate things more than necesary in that regard. Maybe after I graduate. But if so, my first choices are England, Canada and the US, if possible.
-Can't go to Brazil or Portugal because I don't speak portuguese.
-Not going to Colombia or Bolivia, I don't want to live in a narcostate if I have a choice.
-Argentina.......I can't even understand what they're saying, they're like Spaniards with a weaker accent but capable of speaking 5 times faster.
-Mexico would be suicidal.
-Panama...well, many Venezuelans actually fled there. And first thing they do, is fuck things up, making Calles del Hambre and filling the place with their greed and lack of economical common sense, leading to lack of space and many parasites. Leading to a good amount of hate towards Venezuelans there.
Now, I know these 3 places aren't the best. But compared to those other choices, they're much better.
Aditionally regarding Brazil...it's like 73 says, though not so much. Crime-wise, it's not so different. Similarly anarchistic at times. But:
-Their products are much cheaper (even post-import here. In fact they're cheaper than things made inside the nation).
-Their products have better quality.
-It's not as bad as Venezuela economically.
-Medicine's actually available there, last time I checked. Or at least they haven't needed to ask the UN for help in that regard.
....On the other hand, I've also heard that there are a lot of problems with product regulations there.
For example, meat, that's long gone bad, being sold and even exported to other countries, with the companies forcing the people who pass those regulations in Brazil to just paste the thing that says they're clean and safe. The meat is the thing that would make you puke, it's that old, and the companies just add some chemicals to hide the decay and odor.
...Well, that's what I've heard, but there's always a bit of truth.
GreyStark wrote: I have a recommendation. Don't move to England. It's not going to be a powerful country for long. Plus their economy is starting to good downhill again
As long as it doesn't literally burn down in anarchistic flames, I'm fine.
I'm not looking for a paradise, I don't even need a good living place. Just somewhere where I can actually have variety of products available at decent prices, and where if I work (a job obtained from burning myself studying in college) I will have enough to buy what I need or want.
...Granted, last I heard last year they had some muslim issues so maybe they will go down in anarchistic flames...regardless, England's my 2nd choice. 1st one is Canada (nothing happens there....apparently), 3rd one is US (Make Murica Great Again...... :/)
@Mini This is different. Scotland will win the second referendum. NI will be next. England are losing banks (the backbone of your economy) to Germany and Ireland because they want to be in the EU. Plus the pound has lost value. Shops here accept pounds and euros, last year the exchange rate was £1:€0.8 now its 1:1. Plus the Unionists are overdue for their annual hissy fit so that's going to have to be dealt with.
@Someone the whole muslim thing is an overstatement, I doubt there'll be any anarchy. Canada or Australia are the probably the best spots to move to,
Ok, I may be recommending Australia because it's the most popular emigration spot for Irish people. And according to my cousin who spent a few years there it wildlife isn't that bad (the bindis are the worst thing) and I don't know anything about the racism
-Trees. That explode. Sending the equivalents of bullets flying in random directions. Not safe by my standards.
-I don't mean they are actually racist........not all of them. I mean more in the sense that, consciously or not, many of the things a good amount of them say about other races in a casual conversation can be...offensive, intended or not.
At least here it's mostly restricted to Muricans and (less so) Chinese, and for the most part the most racist we get is the fact we refer to everyone we don't know by their race often. "El chino". "La turca". "El portuges". "Los coreanos". And so on.
-The problem is, there's a line between casual insulting, and hurting. It may feel "friendly" at times, but it easily walks the line into bullying, with everyone dismissing that fact by treating even the most offensive things said as "just a joke lol".
I have less than 0 desires to deal with that shit. Especially since when you try to confront them about it, that mentality only makes people see you as the offender instead.
-Actually it is present in towns and cities. Maybe not all of them, but still.
Terminus99 wrote:and if some of my teachers are to be believed, they have actually been good to the economy.
That.....depends on how you look at it. Here, many of them see something expensive, practically being robbed on the spot from the price alone, but buy it anyway because that's the standard. We've become apathetic to it.
So Venezuelans are more indifferent towards expensive stuff. And of course, the more money people spend, the better the economy gets.
...........But like I said, Venezuelans don't have economical common sense. In a decent nation, if the prices are too expensive, the sellers would be demanded for it and/or be forced to drop the prices. And even if they weren't, no one would buy them, and so they would drop the prices anyway just to get people to buy them before they end up wasted.
Meanwhile, here, if something is expensive and no one buys it, people don't drop the prices to attract more clients. If anything, they may just raise them. Products go unsold for years and people still don't drop the prices. In some cases it even extends to the food.
....Granted, your country, I assume, has a better production than us, which would alliviate one of the main killers of our economy: Reselling. It goes like this:
-Products arrive at X location and people go to buy them for the cheap, fair price. (Well, sometimes it's more like "cheap", but still).
-Those people sell them to others at inflated prices. People who, to get anything from it, then sell it at even more inflated prices. To people who then do the same.
As a result, you get things like 1Kg of cheese going from 4000bsf (fair price, supposedly) to an average of 9500bsf, rising 200-500 every day.
It's a hyperbole though. They don't rise literally every day.
They rise every third of a week.
It's not like every single seller rises their prices so horribly though. Some do drop them, and some do sell stuff cheap. They're just 1 in every 100.000. It also varies by state. Anything I say about prices, it's muuuuch bigger in better-developed cities and states. What is 3000 here is 5800 in other places.
I tried, but after like 5 times attempting to Mercy her I thought it wasn't going to work so I slowly killed her because I hadn't fought a damn thing in the entire game before that and thus had like, zero damage output.
Bit too late now but I would've advised going with a pacifist or neutral run first if only for the variety and experience with the gameplay it offers you before attempting genocide.
1. But see, that goes against the message. You just got a nice, beautiful future of peace and friendship with your newfound friends...
....And then, just out of interest or boredom, you delete all that and kill them all?
2. I decided to go No Mercy first, and leave True Pacifist for last. Of course, with a hard save delete because fuck Chara, they were never in control.
3. Granted, morally-speaking I'm barely better than those who do the former, but it's a nicer ending?
1. Choice is up to the player to do that. Some never do. I did because it's a video game and I wanted to hear that sweet music and face the hardest boss battles in the game which you can't do without going down that route.
2. If you want to save the hassle, since you presumably already know the Chara sequence just don't do it. You can go all the way up to before you are given the choice to kill Flowey, quit there to save the hard reset.
3. I see actions in the game not as the actions of the character Frisk but myself controlling them. My motivation whether I would've chose genocide or pacifist first would still be with the intent to do both. Morally speaking I care little on that front due to it being a video game and see no reason to explain cutting them down to see a completely unique side to the game.
But seeing character actions as the player's and not Frisk's in this specific game is my own way to view it. Others can see it differently if they so wish. To each their own.
2-She can't actually kill you, unless you walk into her bullets yourself.
I know, I'm an idiot. And honestly the humor and art style of the game didn't really appeal to me, so I just never really picked it up again after I died the first time. It's been so long I can't even remember where I was when it happened.
3. Depends on how you view it. I feel as though the game places the burden of the actions on the shoulder of the player, not something to be pushed aside and placed onto the avatar of Frisk or Chara.
How a player chooses to view and justify their actions is up to them. Not necessarily a part of the game, but not exactly breaking the point of it either.
After all, a no mercy run which is just kill what you come across is one thing, but genocide (if you are fighting Undying you're on that path) which involves actively hunting down and killing everything in every area is hard to justify morally for the character or player without the "It's just a game" reasoning.
The ripping away their future can easily be undone by simply doing a second pacifist run after hard reset. So there's that. Honestly, by doing that you are essentially breaking the game anyway, by removing your actions of all consequences which was the point of the genocide ending.
1-After all, a no mercy run which is just kill what you come across is one thing, but genocide (if you are fighting Undying you're on that path)...
2-...which involves actively hunting down and killing everything in every area is hard to justify morally for the character or player without the "It's just a game" reasoning.
3-Honestly, by doing that you are essentially breaking the game anyway, by removing your actions of all consequences which was the point of the genocide ending.
1-Well, technically you can stop it after killing Undyne, IIRC. It led to a Neutral Ending, though far from a pretty one.
2-.....I don't think it's even meant to be justified. Though one thing I do admit, is that the idea of it being inmoral only works because Undertale's monsters are...basically innocent people.
They're not like, say, in Shin Megami Tensei (AKA "Fuck you Angels, Fuck you God, Fuck you Demons, Fuck you Lucifer, Fuck you Humanity, Fuck you Religion, Fuck you Technology, Fuck you Planet, Fuck you Friends, Fuck you Everyone: The Game"), or like in Monster Hunter, where they're more like animals that you have to kill often to just survive and not always for funzies. (Fuck that Discount Godzilla).
3-........I know that, though in itself the idea that there's no consequence is part of the message.
You can always just reset or load a save. The entire world's fate rest in your hands. You can do whatever the hell you want, and no one can do a thing about it. You can be friendly with them one time, then kill them all the next, no one would ever know, thus the only thing limiting you are your interest and boredom.
It's even Flowey's motivation: He first saved everyone over and over again after he found out about it. Then he got bored. So he started killing them all over and over again for fun.
All things aside: Overall impressions so far though, Undertale is good and fun, though like Minecraft it's overblown by the overzealous kids in it's fandom.
Though I'm kind of disappointed in some aspects. With No Mercy, there's a heavy difference between how the fandom makes it seem, and how I felt:
-Looking for Battles
>Fandom: Come here, you little vermin mouses! Squeak as I rip you appart! Come, get out and show yourselves to my knife!!!
>Me: ....Anyone here? Hello? I don't bite. Please? Anyone? Just 1 battle, please?
>Fandom: Look at these pussies! They go down like paper! So squishy and predictable.
>Me: ("If I don't move I won't die, If I don't move I won't die, if I don't move I won't die...unless I do") (When there's 2+ monsters, patterns got a bit....painful. I try to move, I just run up to a bullet somewhere everytime).
-"But Nobody Came"
>Fandom: They're so bloodthirsty! They want to kill so much they want to fight even the freaking air!
>Me: Chara, please, I know nobody came, there's no one here anymore, you can stop trying to look for a fight EVERY 5 GODDAMN STEPS. (Seriously, it's annoying how before the kill counter reaches 0 it's a pain to find a fight, yet afterwards that message appears about 4 times per room).
But besides that, it's been fun. And even in No Mercy, there's still some fun moments. Like the Annoying Dog. And Temmie. Granted, there's no difference.
1. Yeah, but you definitely have to do it for a few areas just to get to her which shows the intent up to that point.
2. Less justified and more reasoned to do it in the first place. The game goes out of its way to show you as the bad guy you are if you go down that route and make you feel guilty. And the innocent people thing is what separates Undertale from most other RPGs. Although they ain't 100% innocent as they try to attack you first generally (not without reason) up to a certain point wherein it becomes clearly more you than them.
3. Except with Chara you have to do more than that, the point of her was to show you that there is a consequence. Just as you eventually wrenched control of the timeline from Flowey, so did Chara ruin your chance of ever having a happy ending if you chose genocide.
By messing with the game files (the only way to get rid of her) you are going beyond the game to undo that message, that even as powerful as you or Flowey are there's still something there to punish you and rip that away.
Edit: All things aside I'm glad you are enjoying it, though I'm sorry the portrayal and hype from different fans gave a different impression of how boring the Genocide path can be. If you think it's bad now it only gets worse in Hotland.
1-Although they ain't 100% innocent as they try to attack you first generally (not without reason) up to a certain point wherein it becomes clearly more you than them.
2-By messing with the game files (the only way to get rid of her) you are going beyond the game to undo that message, that even as powerful as you or Flowey are there's still something there to punish you and rip that away.
1-I recall reading somewhere that they don't want to kill you exactly, they just use magic as a form of expression....which just happens to be lethal to you. Considering how some monsters just want to, say, wash your feet with soap or show you their biceps.....
Plus, a book in Snowdin basically mentions how your "Defense" and "Attack" is generally proportional to how much of a Sociopath and Sadist you are respectively. Most monsters go down in 1-2 hits and each hit they land on you deal little damage even at LV1, so it says something.
2-Yay, I'm Gaster...
3-I'm regretting nothing though. The Sans Battle (which I'm sure I'll have to repeat 3 times more than Undyne's) will be worth it all.
My main point on it that has left me... iffy, is the reason rhe guy got stuck in the mess in the first place.
He's an arrogant jackass sure, but he's clearly not stupid. Faced with an entity who at the moment before your death froze time and possessed people an animals to communicate with you, your first decision is to be a smartass to it? Really?
I mean, your going to die anyway I guess but still, even if you ain't religious and don't believe this thing is god, don't antagonise the entity which expresses control over the universe the extent of which you do not know!
Perhaps. Or merely the specific faction sent to that front. Honestly mages weren't even necessary from the looks of it. A decent aerial force magic or not could've dealt with it, especially with a ground force distraction.
I replied to Arkantos asking exactly the same thing in the Spoiler thread.
188.8.131.52 wrote: I can't see them either, Arkantos. And I've been having trouble with comment sections on pages for the last hour or so, and load times are horrendous. Wikia's being silly again by the looks of it.
Also, Wiki decided to log me out when I replied that, which is always fun.
Yeah, it's logging me out every single damn time I go to my wall. EDIT: Wait, no, it's bullshitting me every time I go to my wall. It replaces my Inbox with "My Account", as if I wasn't logged in, but I actually am! Curse it's magic.
And no, Hazel, I don't use AdBlockers.
...It also erased my infobox...well, not much of a loss there.
A lot of people are bringing it up on Community Wikia. The fact that some said that it happens "ocasionally" doesn't make me any more relaxed.
I have an adblocker (for every site mind, not just this) and it mentioned something about it before going back to the forum after a second. When I tried to fix my picture it said there was an error and couldn't do it.
It's also signing me out a bit. Happened when I clicked to go to another thread.
Wait, I can see everyone...except for mine... Wait! Nevermind.
I am convinced this was an anti-adblock scheme, I will tell everyone to get adblock. Say it with me Wikia: Anti-piracy does not fucking work! You're not Forbes, you aren't a respectable source of information the general public actually look to, you're a data-base, you're a forum/fanbase center.
Because I use my phone for pretty much everything? And I set it up so that it would, because at the time I was getting emails that I needed to know about, and now I;m just way too used to it to bother changing it back. I only use my computer for emails if I need to attach files, which is rarely ever.